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you're in the pair test

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the gold standard of paranormal radio on

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the para Cass with gene Steinberg and

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Chris O'Brien we have my old friend Jim

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Mosely the editor of saucer smear and

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before we start this interview there's a

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lot to discuss Jim you are going to be

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observing a special special anniversary

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Planet for 80 years which is exciting to

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me and also weird because I just never

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pictured myself or anyone else reaching

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such an advanced age so I don't really

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know what else to say about it how about

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congratulations well I can't I can't

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congratulate myself but if you want to

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do it don't be happy to listen one of

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the early birthday to you yes but more

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importantly is that this is the 58th

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year of saucer smear as you would see on

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the cover if you were looking at it

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we're in volume 58 because we started in

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1954 and if you work that out it comes

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out right but I can't quite make it come

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out right right now now in the early

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years it wasn't a saucer news it was

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Nexus well yeah that was a crazy title I

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started a magazine with two other guys

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that are long all the Roberts who was a

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UFO photographer many years ago and I

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wanna go chessy who was

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the UFO guy also many years ago so the

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three of us started this and Nexus is an

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unusual word it's in the dictionary it

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means a connecting link and Augie wanted

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to sound something so we didn't want to

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be simple and accessible yes so nobody

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knew what Nexus meant but nobody cared

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yes and after about a year they dropped

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out of this for other reasons I guess

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and I then changed the name to saucer

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news which it continued to be for quite

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a few years until finally I switched the

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whole format from what it had been to

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what it is now which is like a

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newsletter we don't print articles about

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saucers written by other people or we

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don't have long-winded articles from

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newspapers we could have little tidbits

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are on different aspects of the UFO

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mystery and that's how it runs now and

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there's one thing that never changed in

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58 years except for a brief time that

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grey Barker had controlled the

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necessary to use any of these newfangled

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things you know Gina I'm talking to I'm

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always amazed at people when I call them

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and they say hi June or something like

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that and I always start by thinking they

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have psychic powers and you know I get

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rattled and then I realized that many

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people have this thing on their phone

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which is forms of a who's calling caller

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ID you don't have caller ID no I don't

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have it you don't have an answering

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machine no I don't I there's reasons for

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all this I don't know how an answering

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machine because I figure if people know

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I don't have an answering machine

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they'll call back

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which is just as good as having an

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answering machine and the other thing I

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don't have is the caller ID which we're

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sort of off the topic we're briefly here

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several years ago I guess what it

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doesn't know when it didn't work as well

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as it hopefully works

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I got one of those things and I got all

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these crazy names and phone numbers of

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people that I had never heard of and I

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called the back and they never heard of

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me either

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and it was absurd and embarrassing and I

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said the heck with this if we weren't on

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radio I'd say the hell with there well

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actually we allow that word too as a

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matter of fact there's a certain number

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of words the core seven words we can't

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say and it looks like now with all these

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about me well you know what's funny

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about it too is that there is a case

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before the Supreme Court I believe as to

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whether they can even regulate that you

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know who knows someday but we don't

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wanna get into that one of the things

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you did with saucer news it was a

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legitimate publication magazine you

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actually had people who did research I

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mean

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you exposed George Adamski with a

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special George Adamski expose issue

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where I as today there are still people

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running around saying he was genuine so

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how did you get involved in exposing the

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people who needed to be exposed well I

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never had like a staff or anything of

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people that were doing research for me

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so the George Adamski thing I changed

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from the trip that I made in 1953 that

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was a year before I started saucers news

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and I went around the country by car

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having the time and money to do so in

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those days I went I drove out to

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California on a southern route and then

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back east and that sort of middle of the

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country route and one of my purposes was

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to find out more about George Adamski

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who had just written his first book

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flying saucers had landed which was a

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big deal I think it sold quite a number

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of copies in hardcover and it's a los

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sherry but basically he was probably the

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most famous of the contactees people who

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claim to have had space beings of

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various sorts so I investigated his case

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to a degree I met four of the five

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witnesses that he had to

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so called desert contact that's when

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supposedly a spaceman came down on the

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desert Southern California and had a

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conversation with him for several

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minutes and there were five or six

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people that were watching that from a

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distance through field glasses or

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something which makes it unlikely that

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they knew exactly who - he was talking

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to anyway I interviewed those people and

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I interviewed the photographer who were

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in the shop of where he had his photos

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developed and I met a number of other

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people that knew him in one way or

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another and the more I went into it the

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more it became obvious it was a rather

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simple group of hoaxes it's a

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philosophical purpose you might say I

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mean I I got to the point that I liked a

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desk and my well let me ask you a

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question

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okay now the one thing I wanted to ask

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you Jim about a damn ski and that is

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prior to the time that he had his

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alleged contacts

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he also wrote a self-published book

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sometime years earlier we're instead of

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meeting or thon or whatever from Venus

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or wherever they came from he met Jesus

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Christ giving them the same message of

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peace and brotherhood so the whole thing

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was probably an elaborate tale designed

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to convey his religious beliefs but you

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wouldn't believe it from George Adamski

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but if an advanced being from another

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pioneers of space

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I never bothered to read that you had

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suggested that he had written that and

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probably hadn't sold the whole lot of

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copies of it and when flying saucers

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became popular it occurred to him to

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since he did have supposedly sincere

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philosophical or religious beliefs that

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he wanted to put across he figured it

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would be a lot easier to do that through

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the mouth of space people than to just

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say well this is my opinion

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who was George Adamski and nobody in

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particular but if he's talking people

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from other planets and they say certain

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things and that makes it much more

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believable to some people

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now the people around Adamski were kind

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of peculiar to one person was a fellow

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named George hunt Williamson and you

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know this almost dovetails back to our

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discovery very recently and certainly

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this is one of our power cast listeners

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came up with this that research of Phil

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and Bragg know it was pretty well known

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as paranormal research he co-authored a

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book with dr. J Allen Hynek for heaven's

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sakes

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he went around saying that he had

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attended MIT got advanced degrees got

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doctorate last year and of course our

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listener and Chris will explain it more

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in a few moments our listener determined

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that he never attended MIT not just

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didn't he get a degree he never went

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there in the first place it was all

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bogus

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now George and Williamson claimed to be

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a doctor too and his degree who is no

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more genuine I'll ask you about that in

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a moment we have Jim Mosely editor of

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saucer smear I'm Jean Steinberg the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in the

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listening to the podcast we're back with

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a one and only the irrepressible Jim

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mostly he's going to be 80 years old on

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August 4th 2011 and so he welcomes your

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love offerings and yes and just to

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celebrate his life happy birthday to you

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in order for these good people to send

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love offerings they would probably have

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to know my address unless they have

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unusually strong psychic powers so I

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would hope that sometime in the course

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of this long dreary broadcast we would

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mention such an address allegedly but

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I'll tell you why don't you mention your

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long dreary address right now will give

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you more chances all right well as you

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have indicated I'm James Mosley or Jim

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if you prefer and I'm at p.o box 1 709

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and that's Key West Florida that's two

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words key and West and I'm forgetting

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the zip at this moment that I'll give it

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to you later even without this

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affiliation so no problem ok so back to

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George hunt Williamson he claimed to

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have a doctorate but his doctorate was

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think yes William thing is it's not kind

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of a complex story there was a Jewish

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scholar a very eccentric fellow years

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ago we well he died young of Fortner

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ladies and gentlemen he is one of the

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more interesting characters in UFO and

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paranormal research more to the point he

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was one of the pioneers in doing what

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they call ancient astronaut research he

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had the advice of myself and others

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instead of just writing articles about

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that for saucer news and perhaps other

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people he would have come out with a

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book or more on that session he if he

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didn't say correctly he said have had a

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best-seller and he could have beaten out

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Donegan and some others who came out

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with the same kind of thing later but

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they knew how to write books and to get

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them published and they got a lot of

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attention and a lot of money out of it

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where is so your partner unfortunately

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did not but what I was going to say is

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Fortner it was of the Jewish persuasion

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and he was not a chalalan sort of person

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he knew that Georgetown Williamson was

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anti-semitic and I'm not exactly sure

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how he knew that but it must have been

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some of Williamson books which

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unfortunately I didn't read but I take

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it as a fact that he was anti-semitic so

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I believe it was illness idea to write

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to the Dean of Admissions at Arizona

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University the University of Arizona

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where audiences claimed to have attended

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and gotten a degree I'm not sure if his

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alleged doctorate was from they're not

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releasing that was supposed to have

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gotten a Bachelor of Arts well that was

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a earlier era than we're living in now

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and perhaps in some cases that he Dean

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would actually write a personal letter

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to someone that was right in asking

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about the scholarship of one of the

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pupils and he did indeed write a letter

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which I do not have memorized and

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certainly after all this time I don't

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have the letter but he said something

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about Williamson had left the university

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because of poor scholarship but what I

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enjoyed more and I think I'm quoting it

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correctly he said Williamson was always

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known on campus as an oddball and that

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might have been his worship I don't know

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but anyway he never finished college

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there and it first doctorate I'm not

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sure well this of course dovetails into

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the kind of discussion we've had now

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Chris I've given kind of a briefing to

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Jim about what we discovered courtesy of

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our listener maybe since you basically

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gave a brief summary on our last episode

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Chris maybe you can expand on this what

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we discovered about

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Phil Umbraco and the ramifications well

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it's actually pretty simple

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one of our listeners who you know is a

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an arch skeptic shall we say and since I

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don't have permission to use his name

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I'm not going to but everybody on the

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forums knows who he is and if you want

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to find out who the actual person is I

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invite you to go to forum dr. Peric

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ascom there's a whole thread I know but

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you're not gonna say right no I'm not

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well I'm sure that there's there's an

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article in here somewhere and I'm

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surprised if he didn't come out with a

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with a full-blown expose on this on this

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particular sad affair anyway Phil I

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guess had mentioned on his last

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appearance on the podcast with rosemary

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Kiley something about MIT and I guess on

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his website he really touted MIT and our

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listener but much to his credit and and

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he must have a very intuitive sense

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about him because there was nothing

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overt that alerted him that this could

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be you know this could be a scandal but

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he took it upon himself to go ahead and

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contact the there's an organization

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called degree verify or verify degree

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comm you depending on the school you

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send them five to ten dollars and

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they'll go ahead and do a a search to

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see whether the person attended and/or

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received some sort of degree from that

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institution so evidently he did this and

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I think initially he got the spelling of

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Phil's name wrong and then corrected

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that actually I corrected for him Chris

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you corrected it yeah why he told me

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about what he had received and what he

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learned

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yeah this is before I knew anything

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about all right when he said don't

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repeat this to anyone right and I

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observed that because I am a journalist

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chris is a journalist we try to show

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some responsibility unfortunately far

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too few people do okay so I said him

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look the spelling is wrong let's try it

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a different way I think it was spelling

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Philip because Philip can be either with

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one L or two yeah he tried it and the

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same result

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no record of a Phil and Brock no however

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you spell it having ever attended MIT

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it's

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so I think the first thing that he did

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was try to contact Phil and get some

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information from him get some sort of I

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don't know just some sort of validation

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or find out hey this is uh you know this

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is a problem you know what do you have

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to say about it and get him to to fess

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up or to somehow explain the discrepancy

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well this was all going on just just as

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I was leaving to go to the San Luis

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Valley with his co-author rosemary Kiley

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and she mentioned while does the first

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night we were on the road

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she mentioned that Phil was acting kind

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of strange that he had said that he was

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changing his email address and phone

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number because he was getting phone

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calls questioning him about things and

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at that point rosemary wasn't exactly

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sure what it was about but she got a

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sense that somebody was really dating

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into his past

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so this story it always you know

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occurring there that first the first two

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weeks of May I think all this was going

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down so so when we got back more

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information came out about it that that

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indeed he was not a he did not receive a

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degree he was not ever a student at MIT

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now he had told rosemary this rosemary

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mentioned she had been over to his house

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and saw degrees on the wall he had a MIT

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ring on display you know what we won't

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even get into the implications of that

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but but the first thing when I found out

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what this was all about the first thing

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I told was man hey look you have got to

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you know corroborate this very salacious

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information and and do your own

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investigation into this which she

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immediately did and she found out there

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the even in the security logs at MIT

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there was no record of him ever coming

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and going from the campus there and you

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know he talked about working with

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engineers on some mu on field equipment

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detectors and some other equipment that

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he was supposedly working on up there

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hey what Kris let's move that into our

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next segment continue on what he

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allegedly was working on at the place he

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did not attend

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ted phillips listening to the parrot cat

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we're back the guess is Jim Mosely

588
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editor of saucer smear I'm Jean

589
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Steinberg co-host is Chris O'Brien

590
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you're in the para cast and we're giving

591
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you more details on how we learned that

592
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Phil and Brad know was not who he claims

593
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to be okay so you were saying Chris when

594
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we broke for the last segment that he

595
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claimed to have been working with

596
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engineers at MIT and a project right and

597
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he was even designing his own second

598
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doctorate program in computer science

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something to do with developing new

600
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software or something I don't remember

601
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the details of the fantasy at this point

602
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but this is even worse because it's one

603
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thing just to stick a degree on your

604
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resume to get a job and people do that

605
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:07,590
but now he's making a whole story a

606
00:28:14,629 --> 00:28:11,970
whole like yeah on this fakery can I ask

607
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a question here's the generals aptitude

608
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I know I don't know I'm personally I

609
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know that he wrote a book on the Hudson

610
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:25,169
Valley sayings in New York State and a

611
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:27,779
years ago did he write any other Saucer

612
00:28:32,539 --> 00:28:29,610
books other than that uh oh it's written

613
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:32,549
by the number of Jim well my question

614
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would be these books have nothing to do

615
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with science in the sense that you would

616
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:51,539
learn science at MIT well he has a lot

617
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,110
of science in his books Jim and

618
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including the book that's due to come

619
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out this fall is heavy in in in the

620
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scientific realm he's been a middle

621
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,679
school chemistry or science teacher for

622
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26 years and there's some question of

623
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whether there's even a degree from his

624
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for a Bachelor of Science degree from

625
00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:14,669
the University of Texas there seems to

626
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be

627
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about about portal areas how to identify

628
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and investigate portal areas portal

629
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window yeah so explain that because some

630
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of your listeners might not just know

631
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:39,920
off the top of their head what a portal

632
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:43,820
area is III daresay many people don't

633
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:48,290
know but now we do okay well if they

634
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:49,400
listen to the show they know

635
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:52,550
so anyway I'm I'm really saddened by all

636
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:55,880
this you know there's been some question

637
00:30:00,700 --> 00:29:57,740
whether this is really gonna somehow

638
00:30:02,140 --> 00:30:00,710
Bruce merch or hurt rosemarys quite

639
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:02,150
illustrious career

640
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I mean she's written six encyclopedias

641
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:08,330
51 books and I don't see how an

642
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:11,030
association on a book on the Djinn is

643
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:14,450
going to in any way shape or form that

644
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,960
you know anyway negate her wonderful

645
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:20,240
hard work that that she's put in for

646
00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:22,100
decades I am the thing you have to

647
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:24,020
mention is that one of the books said

648
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:26,180
Phil Umbraco authored he co-author with

649
00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:28,730
dr. J Allen Hynek and I don't think I

650
00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:32,360
can equate Hynix reputation which in

651
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:34,520
every respect as far as anybody can

652
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:36,710
understand was a thousand percent

653
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:38,350
genuine he was a straight-ahead

654
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:42,170
college professor and an astronomer with

655
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:43,130
Umbraco

656
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:45,530
he might have been taken into well he

657
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:47,240
was taking him because there's some some

658
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,770
evidence to suggest that he's been

659
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:51,200
living alive since the early eighties

660
00:30:58,300 --> 00:30:53,990
prior to his work with with Hynek and

661
00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:58,310
Bob Pratt so this is this is really not

662
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:00,560
good this is a bad thing for the field

663
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:04,070
it just it just shows you that you never

664
00:31:11,290 --> 00:31:07,310
can be too careful when you're elevating

665
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:11,300
someone into a position of emulating

666
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:12,830
their their style and their their work

667
00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:14,900
their work habits and and how they go

668
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:17,300
about investigating cases I always

669
00:31:21,310 --> 00:31:19,490
looked up to Phil and and always thought

670
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:21,320
that he was you know a top-notch field

671
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,590
investigator and he probably is I don't

672
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:26,960
think that this delusionary spiral that

673
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:28,910
he's found himself in I think there's

674
00:31:31,629 --> 00:31:29,450
their psyche

675
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:31,639
logical in mental health implications

676
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,510
here more so than then I don't think we

677
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:36,799
can throw the baby out with the

678
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:40,130
bathwater so to speak I do still feel

679
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:42,440
that some of his work much of it is is

680
00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:44,870
on the level and is accurately reported

681
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:47,029
but with a revelation like this it's

682
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:48,950
it's virtually impossible not to

683
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:52,250
question every single thing every bit of

684
00:32:02,039 --> 00:31:54,440
output that the guy has given us over

685
00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:02,049
you know never met bono in person and I

686
00:32:08,049 --> 00:32:05,870
know I haven't no the only time I've

687
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,059
talked to him is on the De Pere cast oh

688
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,490
he's been on the show you know several

689
00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:13,760
times oh okay yes I'm not on the net at

690
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:16,279
all as you probably both know I am

691
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:21,289
unable to see here or even feel your

692
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:24,620
shows except the ones that I'm on I do

693
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:27,260
have a contributing editor that

694
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:29,570
sometimes listens to your shows and he

695
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:32,630
tells me something about what your what

696
00:32:35,019 --> 00:32:34,340
you've been talking about everything

697
00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:35,029
good I'm sure

698
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:43,100
oh yes also since we're going on if you

699
00:32:48,129 --> 00:32:46,220
live in an area where a physical

700
00:32:49,899 --> 00:32:48,139
terrestrial station carries us well

701
00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:49,909
you'll hear us we'll work on Key West

702
00:32:54,879 --> 00:32:51,409
Florida see if we can get an outlet down

703
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:54,889
there you were about to say now you're

704
00:33:00,519 --> 00:32:57,710
truly off here oh yeah well I was only

705
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,529
going to observe something that should

706
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:03,440
be obvious to many people and that is

707
00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:09,200
that the falsification of educational or

708
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:13,700
other credentials is not that terribly

709
00:33:19,210 --> 00:33:15,950
unusual thing and certainly not in the

710
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:19,220
saucer field so I I don't think this is

711
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:23,690
a unique situation and but it is to me

712
00:33:29,169 --> 00:33:26,630
somewhat amusing I have never claimed

713
00:33:31,149 --> 00:33:29,179
any degrees by the way and there's a

714
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:31,159
good reason for that because I don't

715
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:34,250
have any I attended Princeton University

716
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:35,630
for a year and a half

717
00:33:40,539 --> 00:33:37,970
not that anyone has ever asked but I

718
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:40,549
thought I'd tell you anyway and then for

719
00:33:44,010 --> 00:33:41,590
my own reasons

720
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,020
not poor scholarship has happened to

721
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:46,559
Williamson but for other reasons I just

722
00:33:55,649 --> 00:33:50,830
resigned or quit and I went on my merry

723
00:33:58,649 --> 00:33:55,659
way from there I finished I'm claiming

724
00:34:01,140 --> 00:33:58,659
needs and you're waiting for me to play

725
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:01,150
some other brilliant things but I have

726
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:03,190
to say this we have to accept the

727
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:05,260
brilliance as it is offered to us and

728
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:09,129
doled out to us ok yeah so therefore I

729
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:11,320
don't want to get involved and trying to

730
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:12,609
deal with your brilliance because I

731
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,129
couldn't possibly do it but just a few

732
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:18,639
one other thing I will not reveal the

733
00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:20,530
name of the person that investigated

734
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:23,379
spillin broad no but what on earth would

735
00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:27,060
be his reason for not wanting his name

736
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:29,889
mentioned on your show I'm sure your

737
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:33,010
show is heard and seen by many people

738
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:35,889
but nevertheless it's odd that he would

739
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:37,869
feel that way well that's a good

740
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:39,310
question I just you know he's been

741
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:42,490
banned from our forum for behavior that

742
00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:49,300
doesn't quite know I talked to this guy

743
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:51,159
on the phone frequently and you can be

744
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:53,770
sure I'll be calling concerns if this is

745
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:55,720
all quite interesting I didn't know

746
00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:59,040
anything keeps out here for what reason

747
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:02,170
you know that's really more than we need

748
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:04,390
to deal with here ok all right all right

749
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:06,040
I'd rather not deal with that I think

750
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:10,180
it's fair to say hey okay that's cool

751
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:13,750
you know we made a decision and he made

752
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:15,160
a decision not to participate let's

753
00:35:20,099 --> 00:35:17,740
leave it more to the point up and that

754
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:20,109
is I think we have to look at the field

755
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:22,810
in general what percentage of people in

756
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,180
all walks of life first of all fake

757
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,480
their credentials a job or something and

758
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:30,400
then when you're dealing with a field of

759
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:32,349
research like this where credibility has

760
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:34,810
to be everything because you know for

761
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:36,700
all practical purposes there's not a lot

762
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:38,290
of credibility as far as a lot of people

763
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,079
thanks off the top of my head if other

764
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:51,280
people who have been exposed you know

765
00:35:57,540 --> 00:35:54,190
public figures suppose

766
00:36:00,060 --> 00:35:57,550
being lied about their credentials I

767
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:00,070
can't really think of one offhand but it

768
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:03,390
certainly happens very frequently and

769
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:07,690
what can you say if you could get a

770
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:11,350
better job or get on welfare or whatever

771
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:14,080
it is you're trying to do by falsifying

772
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:16,350
your record that I mean that is a

773
00:36:22,290 --> 00:36:19,510
temptation I'm sure many people do that

774
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:22,300
correctly we understand that of course

775
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:24,210
obviously in a situation like this I

776
00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:27,750
guess the question is how do we go about

777
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:30,460
exposing this practice more do we have

778
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:32,620
to check everybody also what other

779
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:35,380
examples do we have of people falsifying

780
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:37,240
their credentials in this field not just

781
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:40,690
making up false cases but falsifying who

782
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:43,420
and what they are we know that we have

783
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:45,670
Jim Mosely we know he's the editor of

784
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:48,250
saucer smear I know my friend and

785
00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:50,050
co-host is Christopher O Brien

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hi this is Clifford Cliff International

883
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:18,990
director for the mutual UFO network you

884
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:21,690
are listening to the podcast the gold

885
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:31,090
exposing the fakers I'm the para cast

886
00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:33,290
with Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear

887
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:35,750
I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

888
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,680
O'Brien so I could give you now that I'm

889
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:42,400
thinking about it a very good example of

890
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:46,310
falsification of credentials now briefly

891
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:50,690
here Jesse Marcel senior in the name

892
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:52,940
will be known to you guys I'm sure he is

893
00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:55,790
one of the main witnesses in the

894
00:42:01,810 --> 00:41:58,940
infamous Roswell case he is supposed to

895
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:01,820
have seen the wreckage that was on this

896
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:04,630
man's farm when it came down and

897
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:07,070
eventually was scooped up and taken away

898
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:08,510
by the gentleman etcetera etcetera

899
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:12,140
certainly I can't recap the the Roswell

900
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:15,650
case at this moment because hundred

901
00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:17,870
thousand words or more I've been said

902
00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:20,420
about it in the last 30 years and it's

903
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:23,320
still not solved but anyway Jesse Marcel

904
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:28,670
senior was a military man I had a career

905
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:31,850
that involved whatever it involves as I

906
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:33,350
certainly don't remember all of it now

907
00:42:40,270 --> 00:42:37,520
but the point is this there was a Robert

908
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,280
Todd who was a strange fellow I don't

909
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:42,560
think anyone in the field ever actually

910
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:44,450
met him he's lived somewhere in

911
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:46,190
Pennsylvania and I think and he's dead

912
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:50,090
now for several years but for a short

913
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:54,020
while he had a newsletter just a

914
00:42:59,890 --> 00:42:57,100
two-page they called the cow flop

915
00:43:02,290 --> 00:42:59,900
quarterly I kid you not that was the

916
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:02,300
name of it it was a they don't even

917
00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:04,450
understand what you're saying

918
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:09,740
the cow flop pfl o pee or something

919
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:13,010
close to that cow flop quarterly which

920
00:43:19,570 --> 00:43:17,780
was a well he thought it was funny or

921
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:19,580
you wouldn't have used it but the odd

922
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:21,770
thing was he obviously was a little

923
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:24,140
strange himself incidentally I don't

924
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:25,880
think anyone in the saucer field ever

925
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,120
met him he was a closer sometimes but

926
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:31,520
his magazine was written in a serious

927
00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:34,010
vein only the title would strings and

928
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:35,420
the point is this

929
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:38,060
he threw I think the Freedom of

930
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:40,910
Information Act or some other way that

931
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:41,670
my

932
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:43,619
have been more complicated than that he

933
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:47,640
pulled quite a coup he got a copy of the

934
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,569
military record of Jesse Marcel senior

935
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:54,720
and again the details escaped me now but

936
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:57,950
he had definitely lied and or

937
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,500
exaggerated in several aspects of his

938
00:44:06,859 --> 00:44:04,079
qualifications to be in the military

939
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:06,869
and also about his achievements in the

940
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:09,690
military medals or what have you

941
00:44:16,579 --> 00:44:12,990
commendations things of that sort he did

942
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,589
not accurately give the facts about his

943
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,260
career when he spoke to people or when

944
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:22,200
he wrote to people and this I think was

945
00:44:29,299 --> 00:44:26,339
quite a coup on the part of Todd because

946
00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:29,309
this man is one of the key witnesses and

947
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:32,790
if we can feel that he is quite careless

948
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:36,270
with the truth as just stated then we

949
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,819
can also feel that he might be

950
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:41,520
aggravating or a miss stating the

951
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:44,940
details of what he saw a crash at

952
00:44:50,539 --> 00:44:48,180
Roswell so he is not a very good witness

953
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:50,549
and this was a very important piece of

954
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,270
research that this guy Todd did and I

955
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,880
don't think that's very well known but

956
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,740
it is one of the most important things

957
00:45:02,359 --> 00:45:00,720
about the larger location what about

958
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:02,369
Donald Schmitt it wasn't their little

959
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:05,819
shenanigans I seem to remember it came

960
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:07,740
out that he wasn't who he said he was he

961
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:15,180
was actually a postman or something he

962
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:17,910
never claimed that he wasn't opposed

963
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:20,940
because nobody ever asked him it was not

964
00:45:25,579 --> 00:45:23,369
something that you'd think of but in

965
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:25,589
addition to whatever else he was doing

966
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:27,750
and he was I still don't understand how

967
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:30,540
it went and he's also had an indefinite

968
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:33,839
amount of vacation time it boggles of

969
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:36,210
mind because he did research trips

970
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,670
having to do with razo he spent a lot of

971
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,760
time at the Museum in Roswell and I met

972
00:45:47,539 --> 00:45:44,099
him there he was sort of a regular there

973
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:47,549
and almost an employee of the museum at

974
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:51,240
the same time he was a letter carrier in

975
00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:52,990
this little town

976
00:45:58,859 --> 00:45:55,960
in Sun Eastern State that escapes me at

977
00:46:08,760 --> 00:45:58,869
the moment okay so he's a mailman but he

978
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:08,770
claims to be some sort of scientist you

979
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:10,780
know I can understand in a very generic

980
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:13,270
sense that somebody gets a science

981
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:15,250
degree no jobs available he takes a job

982
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:18,010
as a mailman because the letter carrier

983
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,200
position holds security hoping

984
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:22,480
eventually they'll get the real job well

985
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:24,910
you know I wasn't the one that did that

986
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:28,330
investigation but whoever it was gave

987
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:31,480
out this phone number of this little

988
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:33,790
post office in this rural town I think

989
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:35,950
it was Indiana or somewhere like that

990
00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:39,010
and we wanted there at least I wanted to

991
00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:41,020
just check out to make sure that there

992
00:46:46,830 --> 00:46:43,960
is not making this all up with us to

993
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:46,840
adverse Schmidt and I was one of the

994
00:46:56,609 --> 00:46:49,210
people that called up and they put the

995
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:56,619
postmaster yes he works here I just

996
00:47:01,770 --> 00:46:59,170
don't understand all of a sudden all

997
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:01,780
these people are calling up here and see

998
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:03,910
if they're done Schmidt works here and

999
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:06,490
yes he does I don't see the problem and

1000
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:08,050
I thought it was one of the funniest

1001
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:10,810
things that I ever heard this guy didn't

1002
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,390
know anything about saucers or why these

1003
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:15,760
people were calling he was telling the

1004
00:47:20,099 --> 00:47:17,710
truth the guy works there but Don

1005
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:20,109
Schmidt is still a recognized figure in

1006
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:23,170
UFO research so is it that people aren't

1007
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:27,880
paying attention or do not care work

1008
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:31,119
together well upon the power cast some

1009
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,390
years back okay now what is interesting

1010
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:37,119
and what I am not able to tell you very

1011
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:40,660
much about but Kevin Randle used to

1012
00:47:47,609 --> 00:47:43,000
co-author books or at least one book

1013
00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:47,619
with Schmidt and they were which they

1014
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:50,380
partners for quite a long time and then

1015
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:53,290
Schmidt did something and I cannot tell

1016
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,450
you what it is because I just don't

1017
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,400
remember I never really cared that much

1018
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,980
I really

1019
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:01,680
know that we would do a show just on

1020
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,070
this topic but anyway he thought I think

1021
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:07,859
rightfully read at Schmidt for whatever

1022
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,980
shredders had done wrong and they no

1023
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,920
longer are co-authors friends or

1024
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:16,079
anything like it and he has said quite a

1025
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:18,780
lot on the net against MIT and I do not

1026
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:22,700
remember off and just what it is so it's

1027
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,220
there's been no more I think fakery and

1028
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,130
stuff of that third in regard to Roswell

1029
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:30,960
past and anything else

1030
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,470
okay so we have Schmitt we have Jesse

1031
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:36,660
Marcel senior do we assume the Jesse

1032
00:48:52,819 --> 00:48:39,630
Marcel jr. is as he claims to be an Army

1033
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:52,829
Surgeon talks over but junior is not so

1034
00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:54,930
junior anymore he himself I think is in

1035
00:49:01,040 --> 00:48:58,040
the sixties and he has become sort of a

1036
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,050
pseudo celebrity himself in the u.s.

1037
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:03,359
also an air taker for the Roswell legend

1038
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:05,730
in a sense because he allegedly handled

1039
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:11,220
some of the material it's simply that

1040
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:14,520
when this stuff was brought out of the

1041
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:18,900
field that it's crashing he saw the

1042
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:21,810
material that his father showed him in

1043
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:23,970
in their home I guess it briefly

1044
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:26,730
and so he spent who knows five or ten

1045
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:29,700
minutes looking at this material from

1046
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:32,010
the Roswell crash and that is whatever

1047
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:35,010
it is fifty years ago and we're talking

1048
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,690
about something he spent just a few

1049
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:39,240
minutes looking at and that makes him an

1050
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:41,190
expert on Roswell and he's been speaking

1051
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:44,010
about it ever since and that's another I

1052
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:47,700
wish that someday somebody would take an

1053
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:52,339
awful lot of work but would do a final

1054
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,650
expose of some sort of the whole Roswell

1055
00:50:00,920 --> 00:49:58,200
legend no matter what actually crashed

1056
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:00,930
there but there is so much contradiction

1057
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:04,230
so many people lying remember the car

1058
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:06,750
years ago I can't even I think it was

1059
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:10,290
Anderson graphs he had a diary from that

1060
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:12,810
whole period around 1947

1061
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:15,450
and you could look at this diary and it

1062
00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:17,910
showed that he'd been where it was a

1063
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,820
certain date and therefore had seen this

1064
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:23,040
thing crash those got there right after

1065
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:25,830
it did and they found out someone found

1066
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:27,930
out eventually it was years ago that he

1067
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:32,190
was exposed the diary was a face the ink

1068
00:50:38,570 --> 00:50:36,510
in this diary did not exist in 1947 and

1069
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:38,580
he went to all the trouble to do this

1070
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:41,940
whole volume in order to prove his point

1071
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:46,650
about Roger but the whole diary itself

1072
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:49,110
was non-existent I mean that's the kind

1073
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,460
of thing I mean there's so many

1074
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,040
wonderful little stories like that you

1075
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:54,960
could do but there would be a lot of a

1076
00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,060
lot of work to write a book like that a

1077
00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:59,640
night you're not up to it because well

1078
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:01,530
you know the point is though maybe one

1079
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:02,940
of the things we'll do in addition to

1080
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,890
answering questions from our listeners

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directed to you Jim Mosley is discuss

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more of these case histories the fact

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that there are people out there who

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claim to have knowledge claimed to have

1085
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:18,480
information and when you maybe tear

1086
00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,340
things apart you do the kind of research

1087
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it needs to be done you find out well

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maybe they don't have the knowledge they

1089
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claim to have maybe there are things

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lacking in their logic locking in their

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experience things that we need to find

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out more about and get to the bottom of

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Jim Mosley he's editor of saucer smear

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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public currency is a greater menace to

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the liberties of the people than a

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[Music]

1126
00:53:11,590 --> 00:53:08,960
we're back Jim Mosley editor of saucer

1127
00:53:13,390 --> 00:53:11,600
smear joins us I'm gene Steinberg with

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00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:13,400
Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast

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00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:16,490
looking at the fakers any other Roswell

1130
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:19,310
figures seem to have questionable

1131
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:21,020
backgrounds or questionable evidence

1132
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:23,330
that you know of no I'm not really

1133
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:26,780
confident to be an expert on Roswell

1134
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:30,230
I don't think there's hardly yeah it's

1135
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:33,770
coming to me now Glenn Dennis now Glenn

1136
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:37,700
Dennis is probably one of the very very

1137
00:53:44,260 --> 00:53:41,570
few principal Roswell witnesses who is

1138
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:44,270
still alive and he I think the last I

1139
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:46,100
heard about him he was in the nursing

1140
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,290
home or something but about 10 years ago

1141
00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:50,480
I met him I've been out to Roswell to

1142
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,300
the museum there three or four times he

1143
00:53:58,590 --> 00:53:56,720
was a very nice guy very talkative his

1144
00:54:01,560 --> 00:53:58,600
claim to fame

1145
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:01,570
it's a long thing for one thing which I

1146
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:03,580
never believed in the first place was it

1147
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:06,010
makes no sense he got a he was a

1148
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:06,790
mortician

1149
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:09,370
he ran a funeral home in the town of

1150
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:12,130
Roswell I mean there back in 1947 when

1151
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,320
all this happened and he got a phone

1152
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:17,440
call from the military base asking him

1153
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:21,190
to prepare I forget six or eight small

1154
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:22,150
coffins

1155
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:24,220
he was surprised by that I don't know if

1156
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:26,260
he actually prepared though I don't

1157
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:28,150
think he went that far with the story

1158
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,910
but think about it if you had aliens

1159
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:33,040
crashing in the desert

1160
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:35,470
aliens from another planet yes we were

1161
00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:39,040
small statues statues so therefore you

1162
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:41,080
would only need a small company can you

1163
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,810
believe in all logic and common sense

1164
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:46,240
that they would do that I mean this

1165
00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:48,820
would be a highly classified thing at

1166
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:51,820
least were told to believe that and you

1167
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:53,980
just pick up the phone and ask the local

1168
00:54:59,100 --> 00:54:56,890
Undertaker to prepare coffins worth for

1169
00:55:01,170 --> 00:54:59,110
these creatures that are your nature

1170
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:01,180
than have never been seen before

1171
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:04,060
I mean come on so right there that's the

1172
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:05,500
story that he told right from the

1173
00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:07,570
beginning and I just didn't make any

1174
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:09,790
sense to me but the things that I'm

1175
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:11,530
leading up to is this and I don't have

1176
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:14,050
all the details there was a nurse that

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00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:18,130
worked at the hospital in in Roswell and

1178
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:21,940
the nurse saw these bodies brought into

1179
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:24,940
the hospital and she didn't take a

1180
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,800
picture but I think she made a drawing

1181
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:28,930
of what they looked like and she was a

1182
00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:31,840
personal friend of Glenn Davis and so he

1183
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:33,880
didn't see the bodies himself but he

1184
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:35,890
talked to this nurse who apparently knew

1185
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:38,650
quite well and she told him a lot of

1186
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:41,650
details about things which as I say he

1187
00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:45,810
personally did not see now this nurse

1188
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:49,540
a very peculiar name my only or

1189
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:51,610
something was her last name

1190
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,090
very odd name he kept telling slightly

1191
00:56:00,120 --> 00:55:57,280
different versions about this nurse her

1192
00:56:02,610 --> 00:56:00,130
name changed some of the details of her

1193
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:02,620
story that she told him changed and it

1194
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:05,740
was very questionable all along but this

1195
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:08,140
is the point and this is very very

1196
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:11,470
interesting Popular Mechanics which has

1197
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,410
nothing to do

1198
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:15,200
sauces and I still don't know why it was

1199
00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:17,720
that magazine rather than some other but

1200
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:20,380
it must be at least 10 or 15 years ago

1201
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:23,710
they sent somebody out to find this

1202
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:26,930
nobody through all these years to find

1203
00:56:31,350 --> 00:56:28,550
the nurse there were people to try this

1204
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:31,360
try that they could never find her the

1205
00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:34,070
investigator from that magazine went to

1206
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:37,100
a nursing home somewhere and the last

1207
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:40,250
living nourished from Roswell of the

1208
00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:44,210
year 1947 was still alive and it was a

1209
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:46,820
small Hospital she knew all the other

1210
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:49,580
nurses and and she knew obviously the

1211
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:51,590
names of the other nurses and what they

1212
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:52,130
looked like

1213
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:54,920
and what had happened or not happen at

1214
00:57:00,700 --> 00:56:57,620
the hospital the bottom line is this

1215
00:57:03,580 --> 00:57:00,710
nurse did not exist absolutely and

1216
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:03,590
positively did not let me just add

1217
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:05,390
something to what you said Jim because

1218
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:07,340
you probably haven't heard this but our

1219
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:09,410
listeners have if you're a regular

1220
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:11,960
listener of the para cast back on July

1221
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:16,610
27 2008 we featured an author by the

1222
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:20,480
name of Lauren Spencer who edited a book

1223
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:22,040
he didn't say author he claimed to have

1224
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:24,320
edited a book called alien interview

1225
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:27,260
that purported to present communications

1226
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:31,040
with an alien from a retired US Army Air

1227
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:33,350
Force nurse so he claimed to have

1228
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:34,760
actually been in touch with this nurse

1229
00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:37,220
we never figured out how we were very

1230
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:39,800
skeptical of the claims but we got

1231
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:41,900
permission from him to actually

1232
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:44,720
distribute a copy and electronic copy of

1233
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:46,490
the book of anybody cared I think a lot

1234
00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:48,560
of people actually downloaded but that

1235
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:50,840
legend has gone into weird directions

1236
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:52,850
this guy Spencer by the way is very much

1237
00:58:05,950 --> 00:57:54,770
involved in the scientology movement

1238
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:05,960
also supposedly v nurse he claims he's

1239
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,980
gotten all this data and all this

1240
00:58:13,630 --> 00:58:11,390
correspondence from her he published it

1241
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:13,640
in the book and then said oh by the way

1242
00:58:22,410 --> 00:58:19,400
I destroyed the manuscript so far as I

1243
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:22,420
know yes okay then

1244
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:24,430
existed Roswell nurse yeah well

1245
00:58:29,789 --> 00:58:27,400
absolutely under the name that he first

1246
00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:29,799
gave and under the name he gave later

1247
00:58:36,329 --> 00:58:33,400
and and so forth there is no such nurse

1248
00:58:38,299 --> 00:58:36,339
and I remember he different tires had

1249
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:38,309
versions of what happened to her

1250
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:40,900
naturally she got transferred right

1251
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:43,750
after this a number of officers and

1252
00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:46,270
others at Roswell were transferred right

1253
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:49,030
after the crash because of I suppose

1254
00:58:53,849 --> 00:58:51,250
that was a way of silencing them or

1255
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:53,859
something and getting them out of town I

1256
00:59:00,569 --> 00:58:57,460
heard one version that she flew to

1257
00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:00,579
Europe but her plane crashed so that

1258
00:59:05,339 --> 00:59:02,440
would get rid of her and I convenient

1259
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:05,349
though her plane crashes later sure but

1260
00:59:09,569 --> 00:59:07,390
the other one that I like better and

1261
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:09,579
this is release likely to be true that

1262
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:13,599
she joined a nunnery in France I believe

1263
00:59:24,329 --> 00:59:22,260
probably not but I'm telling you these

1264
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:24,339
things that are crazy but they're just

1265
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:26,290
part of the Roswell story and the

1266
00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:28,809
Roswell story is just part of a very

1267
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:33,880
crazy field I believe absolutely in my

1268
00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:37,150
heart there are UFOs and that they come

1269
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,380
from somewhere

1270
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:41,200
some realm it's such a whatever it might

1271
00:59:44,819 --> 00:59:41,530
be

1272
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:44,829
I am very mild these days of the

1273
00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:47,980
interplanetary theory and I disagree

1274
00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:50,380
strongly with the stand Freedman on that

1275
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,520
I think he is tied into 1960s thinking

1276
00:59:59,819 --> 00:59:57,520
in that way and I don't agree with it at

1277
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,829
all but wherever they're from there are

1278
01:00:04,829 --> 01:00:02,559
genuine UFOs I don't think that one

1279
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:04,839
crashes Roswell I don't know they may

1280
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:06,910
have crashed somewhere else but there is

1281
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:09,849
so much nonsense in this field that it

1282
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,730
is no wonder that scientists and people

1283
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:15,760
of that ilk are not going to sully their

1284
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:18,839
reputations by getting involved in this

1285
01:00:27,859 --> 01:00:21,130
especially in light of this Phil and

1286
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:27,869
Brad no Fiasco patients and I have no

1287
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:30,730
profession at this point in life is

1288
01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:33,310
least and I have plenty of time but not

1289
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:35,740
awful lot of patience the deployers you

1290
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:38,950
need to really work on it to separate

1291
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:42,310
the truth the probable truth in this

1292
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:45,160
field from the probable nonsense and

1293
01:00:50,550 --> 01:00:47,620
that is a very hard thing to do and it's

1294
01:00:53,730 --> 01:00:50,560
no wonder in my opinion but most people

1295
01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:53,740
say it's nonsense or they don't get

1296
01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:55,360
interested in they just let it go

1297
01:01:01,530 --> 01:00:58,870
there's only a hard core of people God

1298
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:01,540
knows maybe a few thousand or so that

1299
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:04,570
are really interested in a big way in

1300
01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:07,720
UFOs and if it's a bigger story as it's

1301
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:09,940
supposed to be it's odd that there

1302
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:12,460
aren't more people involved in it but

1303
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:14,860
there are not know everybody likes their

1304
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:17,230
answers formulated for them especially

1305
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:28,790
[Music]

1306
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:33,000
most people make up their mind ahead of

1307
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:36,040
time due to their own preferences or the

1308
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:37,990
religion or the lack of religious or

1309
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:41,350
whatever they decide what there is or

1310
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,110
what it isn't and then and let me look

1311
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:46,000
at the evidence it's supposed to be the

1312
01:01:51,420 --> 01:01:48,310
other way around and what I'm saying is

1313
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:51,430
equally true of the skeptics as it is of

1314
01:01:55,710 --> 01:01:54,280
the true believers right yeah yeah

1315
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:55,720
there's true believers and there's two

1316
01:02:02,270 --> 01:01:59,050
non-believers both sides are going out

1317
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:02,280
of back sack words yeah well to just

1318
01:02:08,090 --> 01:02:05,770
investigate something in an unbiased way

1319
01:02:11,130 --> 01:02:08,100
it's extremely difficult I mean

1320
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:11,140
everybody has some kind of a bias it's

1321
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:13,630
very hard to be totally unbiased but

1322
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:18,000
unless you try to attain that that state

1323
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:20,920
you're not going to get a proper answer

1324
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:23,470
for anything you know that's true well

1325
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:25,180
that leads us to a question from one of

1326
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:28,360
our listeners and Blowfish is a long

1327
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:30,910
time poster on the parrot cast will tell

1328
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:33,130
you why why we have that on the next

1329
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:35,380
segment blow fish's question and

1330
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:38,050
abeyance on the para cast I'm Jean

1331
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:40,180
Steinberg the guest is Jim Mosely the

1332
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:42,460
co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in the

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[Music]

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sorceress mere co-host is Chris O'Brien

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:35,180
I'm Jean Steinberg on the para cast

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01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:37,730
we're discussing the fakes the frogs in

1433
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:40,670
UFO research we had a question from a

1434
01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:43,370
regular listener from Down Under I think

1435
01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:45,140
he's from the other side of the pond

1436
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:47,480
Blowfish what's his question Chris well

1437
01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:49,730
he's got a number of them but one has to

1438
01:07:54,610 --> 01:07:52,100
do with Roswell and he asked is Roswell

1439
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:54,620
just a cold war military intrusion by

1440
01:07:59,950 --> 01:07:57,920
spooks or a military biological accident

1441
01:08:04,000 --> 01:07:59,960
turned into a well planned UFO hoax

1442
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:04,010
what are your thoughts on that Jim well

1443
01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:06,970
in other words is it is it our military

1444
01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:09,140
monkeying around and then making it

1445
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:13,550
appear to be a UFO crash or possibly

1446
01:08:23,610 --> 01:08:19,900
some sort of military exercise or the

1447
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:23,620
$64,000 question I suppose I mean as we

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01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:26,180
Roswell attics know at the very

1449
01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:28,700
beginning of the Air Force and in

1450
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:31,190
Roswell made a statement sir that was

1451
01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:34,190
carried on their radio and two

1452
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:36,620
newspapers there that a flying saucer

1453
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:40,640
had crashed near Roswell and that's

1454
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:43,310
interesting the use of that term because

1455
01:08:48,730 --> 01:08:46,010
it gets too diverse a little bit here

1456
01:08:50,020 --> 01:08:48,740
when we say flying saucers now the first

1457
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:50,030
thing that comes to your mind is

1458
01:08:54,670 --> 01:08:52,010
something from another planet but in

1459
01:08:57,940 --> 01:08:54,680
those days that wasn't it if it was

1460
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:57,950
going to be an unidentified things such

1461
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,440
as a flying saucer it would probably be

1462
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:03,440
something from Russia because that was

1463
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:06,020
what was mostly in our mind not space

1464
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:08,570
people but it was the beginning of the

1465
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:11,600
whar around that time and actually we

1466
01:09:15,190 --> 01:09:13,130
had a right to be frightened of

1467
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:15,200
something that might be scare or

1468
01:09:21,930 --> 01:09:18,530
sometimes coming from our mortal enemy

1469
01:09:24,850 --> 01:09:21,940
Russia so when that they made that

1470
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:24,860
announcement that a flying saucer in

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01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:27,890
crash they were not saying space people

1472
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:29,840
but that apparently is how a lot of

1473
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:31,730
people circuited and started making up

1474
01:09:38,230 --> 01:09:35,390
these stories about space people after I

1475
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,240
forget just a few hours they changed

1476
01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:40,400
their story and said it was just a

1477
01:09:45,460 --> 01:09:43,100
balloon and of course the true believers

1478
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:45,470
don't accept that because they would

1479
01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:47,630
much rather than say clearly it was a

1480
01:09:53,140 --> 01:09:50,060
flying saucer of the interplanetary type

1481
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:53,150
but the facts are in my opinion at least

1482
01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:55,850
and it's too long to go into but in was

1483
01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:59,300
a balloon a very strange unusual at that

1484
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,270
time classified group of balloons all

1485
01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:04,880
flying together in a train there some

1486
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:06,950
sort and it had a purpose it was

1487
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:09,230
classified but it must have looked quite

1488
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:12,740
a lot like a normal a balloon would and

1489
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:15,410
the debris seems to look very much like

1490
01:10:20,740 --> 01:10:17,990
that also and that's what I think it was

1491
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:20,750
and a lot of people agree with me and a

1492
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:23,570
lot of people don't yeah that's well

1493
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:25,250
tell you if we ever get to the bottom of

1494
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:27,770
this particular mystery I will be very

1495
01:10:34,180 --> 01:10:30,710
surprised you know just one other little

1496
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:34,190
thing the Roswell crash happened in 1947

1497
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:39,860
in 1978 bill more well known UFO writer

1498
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:43,730
and Stanton Friedman I'm not sure if

1499
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:45,290
they were working together from the very

1500
01:10:51,820 --> 01:10:49,010
beginning or not but anyway they started

1501
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,830
investigating the Roswell crash that

1502
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:54,560
that's what it's 30-some years after it

1503
01:10:59,380 --> 01:10:57,410
happened up until that time there was no

1504
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,390
Roswell mystery

1505
01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:02,000
it's barely mentioned in any of the

1506
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:05,480
early literature in the UFO I think

1507
01:11:09,970 --> 01:11:08,210
Frank Edwards in his book I've mentioned

1508
01:11:12,970 --> 01:11:09,980
so he has about a paragraph about

1509
01:11:15,310 --> 01:11:12,980
Roswell it was forgotten in Roswell it

1510
01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:15,320
was never heard of anywhere else I was

1511
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:18,280
interested in saucers as far back as

1512
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:21,260
1947 and I never heard it was until the

1513
01:11:26,140 --> 01:11:22,070
first book

1514
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:26,150
which was in 1980 co-authored by Bill

1515
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:31,310
Moore and Charles Berlitz and and that

1516
01:11:37,780 --> 01:11:33,590
opened the floodgates so we've got over

1517
01:11:41,709 --> 01:11:37,790
30 years now a book after book after

1518
01:11:45,729 --> 01:11:41,719
book I mean it's unbelievable how this

1519
01:11:48,129 --> 01:11:45,739
has grown with the time when for the

1520
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:48,139
first 30 years it was as if it never

1521
01:11:54,089 --> 01:11:48,800
happened

1522
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:56,709
Berlin sir it's interesting he gets lent

1523
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:59,060
his name for the book Berlitz was famous

1524
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:01,550
for having written the Bermuda Triangle

1525
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:07,449
and several other by a very minor

1526
01:12:12,490 --> 01:12:10,790
footnote to histories I helped provide

1527
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:12,500
him with a lot of information for the

1528
01:12:16,959 --> 01:12:15,170
sequel to the Bermuda Triangle book what

1529
01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:16,969
was really cool it was all about the

1530
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:18,440
Philadelphia Experiment that kind of

1531
01:12:26,589 --> 01:12:23,360
thing Oh which came first he co-authored

1532
01:12:29,109 --> 01:12:26,599
a book with Bill Moore about the

1533
01:12:30,459 --> 01:12:29,119
Philadelphia Experiment also do you

1534
01:12:32,859 --> 01:12:30,469
remember which came first they were

1535
01:12:35,979 --> 01:12:32,869
about a year apart Bermuda Triangle came

1536
01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:35,989
first no no I mean which of the did the

1537
01:12:42,970 --> 01:12:39,949
Philadelphia Experiment book or the you

1538
01:12:44,649 --> 01:12:42,980
know I have to look it up I would have

1539
01:12:47,410 --> 01:12:44,659
to look it up I think the Roswell came

1540
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:47,420
later it was first when I knew Berlitz

1541
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,790
back in the late 70s we were talking

1542
01:12:54,430 --> 01:12:51,920
about the Philadelphia Experiment we

1543
01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:54,440
were talking about Bermuda Triangle that

1544
01:13:00,669 --> 01:12:57,800
was the big thing Roswell was the final

1545
01:13:02,919 --> 01:13:00,679
straw what do you call it

1546
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:02,929
there's no Adelphia experiment is I mean

1547
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:05,090
I don't think we should even waste our

1548
01:13:09,220 --> 01:13:06,920
time talking about that I think that is

1549
01:13:12,129 --> 01:13:09,230
the most other pile of nonsense that

1550
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:12,139
I've ever heard in my life there was a

1551
01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:13,820
movie by the way a couple of movies

1552
01:13:18,189 --> 01:13:16,340
about it probably based on the book

1553
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:18,199
loosely but it was all about

1554
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:20,420
invisibility experiments during world

1555
01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:23,210
war two etc etc let's not go there right

1556
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:25,190
well here's one for you Jim have you

1557
01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:27,409
heard about this new anti Jacobsen book

1558
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:33,900
well being as what do you think of that

1559
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:37,570
little sausage smear is up on that and

1560
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:39,790
when you get the marvelous new issue

1561
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:42,850
that is going to be out in a week or so

1562
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:46,690
you will see a book review of that and a

1563
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:48,850
review of two or the other very

1564
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:51,010
interesting and recent books including

1565
01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:53,800
one by dr. Alexander that we were

1566
01:13:58,860 --> 01:13:56,920
talking about before yeah you can ask me

1567
01:14:02,340 --> 01:13:58,870
or tell me anything you want about that

1568
01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:02,350
book but yeah what is it Jacobsen 100 a

1569
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:04,630
Andy Jacobson Yeah right

1570
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:07,480
well I mean her her version of Roswell

1571
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:10,810
is the worst of all I mean you can tell

1572
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:13,000
it all to us I mean it just doesn't make

1573
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:15,610
any sense and it's in there just to

1574
01:14:21,210 --> 01:14:18,190
attract attention and indeed it worked I

1575
01:14:23,220 --> 01:14:21,220
mean that book was reviewed by the New

1576
01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:23,230
York Times and been written up all over

1577
01:14:26,610 --> 01:14:24,040
the place

1578
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:26,620
she's been interviewed on many shows you

1579
01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:28,330
ought to try to get her on your show

1580
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:30,670
Jeanne we had several listeners threaten

1581
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:34,630
us of we had several people on our forum

1582
01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:36,370
say don't you dare get that woman on

1583
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:39,430
here and why lawyer your standards oh

1584
01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:42,370
come on that is a major book by a major

1585
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:44,680
publisher just because she's lying in

1586
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:49,600
her teeth might be fun to get her on and

1587
01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:51,820
maybe I don't know kind of poke a few

1588
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:54,220
pins into that big old Jacobson balloon

1589
01:14:59,130 --> 01:14:56,830
yeah well I mean I've got the book

1590
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,140
sitting here it's huge I have not read

1591
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,320
it I rarely read it Sasa book I did read

1592
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,750
dr. Alexander's book which i think is

1593
01:15:08,970 --> 01:15:07,120
very very good this book how can I put

1594
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:08,980
it I don't care what they're doing at

1595
01:15:13,530 --> 01:15:11,740
area 51 unless it has something to do

1596
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,540
with sauces I mean that's just how I

1597
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:15,520
feel about it I am NOT a technical

1598
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,940
person having no degree from anywhere I

1599
01:15:24,690 --> 01:15:22,000
know that a lot of secret weapons and

1600
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:24,700
featured aircraft have been worked on it

1601
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:27,460
area 51 and that's all very good for

1602
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:29,080
people that want to know the history of

1603
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:31,300
aviation I'd say well we get into the

1604
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:33,730
history of aviation area 51 but more

1605
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:36,040
importantly the paranormal which is what

1606
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Jim is really interested in Jim Mosley's

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with every segment of this show

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Chris O'Brien's pronouncement the para

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cast gets more and more enthusiastic you

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notice that Jim Mosley's our guest

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editor of saucer smear and by the way

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let me remind people because Jim had a

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momentary senior moment fen the

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addresses p.o box one 7:09 Key West

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Florida three three zero four one and

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they take love offerings yeah you're

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right I did I was about to give you my

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zip code what I lived up in New Jersey

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which now I can't remember either but

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anyway yes zero seven zero two four I

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remember yeah 163 don't send letters to

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that address by the way because somebody

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has that box today and they will get

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these letters from para cast listeners

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asking about a saucer smear and they

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will freak okay so the point being as

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far as Annie Jacobson is concerned

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you're concerned a little bit you're

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kind of fascinated by her slant of

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Roswell but area 51 doesn't doesn't

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light your fire oh yeah I mean I'm not

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interested in history of aviation of

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01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:26,140
course a lot of strange things have been

1745
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:29,080
seen in the skies around area 51 because

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01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:31,330
they're testing all kinds of things but

1747
01:21:37,890 --> 01:21:34,660
the question is do they have a captured

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01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:37,900
flying saucer one or more captured

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01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:41,170
saucers and are they reverse engineering

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01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:43,570
I love that phrase reverse engineering

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this saucer or these saucers in order to

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you know further our own aircraft

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industry and I think the answer to that

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01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:56,440
is no and if the answer is no then I'm

1755
01:22:01,770 --> 01:21:59,440
not really concerned about area 51 I

1756
01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:01,780
went there once not all the way there

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01:22:10,230 --> 01:22:04,600
when I took an insane trip in the vein

1758
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:10,240
of an other from a point south of Las

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01:22:17,319 --> 01:22:15,730
Vegas Nevada up to the area 51 section

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01:22:20,290 --> 01:22:17,329
of northern

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01:22:22,990 --> 01:22:20,300
and I never saw any part of the base I

1762
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:23,000
didn't expect you but the guy driving

1763
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:25,760
the van freaked out literally as soon as

1764
01:22:31,569 --> 01:22:28,730
he saw the signs by the road about you

1765
01:22:34,270 --> 01:22:31,579
know no photography military area

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01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:34,280
implying you know the use of deadly

1767
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:36,650
force etcetera etcetera I don't know

1768
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:39,440
what happened to him because he had been

1769
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:42,590
there before he has a business I guess

1770
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:45,920
of driving people up to this section

1771
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,710
next to area 51 as soon as you saw the

1772
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:51,440
sign he turned his van around he didn't

1773
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:53,329
give us a minute to even jump out and

1774
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:55,940
take pictures of the sign and then we

1775
01:23:01,240 --> 01:22:58,010
drove all the way back to Southern

1776
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:01,250
Nevada there's about a 14-hour trip

1777
01:23:05,919 --> 01:23:03,710
around foot that night never had such a

1778
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,929
horrible boring time in my life that's

1779
01:23:11,410 --> 01:23:08,000
another reason I don't like arias if he

1780
01:23:13,149 --> 01:23:11,420
wants you have issues around it boy I be

1781
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:13,159
upset too you drive all the way up there

1782
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:15,199
and then the guy never even stops he

1783
01:23:20,859 --> 01:23:17,270
just turns around and heads back that's

1784
01:23:23,339 --> 01:23:20,869
well you know they I guess I don't know

1785
01:23:26,770 --> 01:23:23,349
if he spotted it or not there is a

1786
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:26,780
legend that they have not a jeep it's

1787
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:28,369
some other kind of vehicle there are

1788
01:23:33,819 --> 01:23:31,250
people watching you as you're going

1789
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,829
along the dirt road there's no legend

1790
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:35,840
I've seen film footage of them primary

1791
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:38,750
I've seen video footage of the security

1792
01:23:44,049 --> 01:23:40,489
guys the Wackenhut or whoever they are

1793
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,059
yeah all right but I mean they're not

1794
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:45,920
gonna shoot you on sight or anything I

1795
01:23:51,339 --> 01:23:48,409
have no idea of why either guy acted

1796
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:51,349
that way but the point being as I say

1797
01:23:57,819 --> 01:23:54,920
area 51 if it doesn't relate to the UFO

1798
01:24:00,430 --> 01:23:57,829
mystery which I think very likely it

1799
01:24:02,379 --> 01:24:00,440
does not and by the way dr. Alexander

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01:24:03,819 --> 01:24:02,389
says the same thing in his book which I

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01:24:06,669 --> 01:24:03,829
just finished reading that when I

1802
01:24:10,030 --> 01:24:06,679
actually read and that will be reviewed

1803
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:10,040
in the next issue of saucers very good

1804
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:13,489
so do tell us what you really like -

1805
01:24:22,270 --> 01:24:15,590
what do you like the objectivity of his

1806
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:22,280
viewpoint or logic or it's a long story

1807
01:24:29,729 --> 01:24:27,760
he and a group of people who in the end

1808
01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:29,739
or maybe he's bragging a bit but

1809
01:24:34,860 --> 01:24:31,870
hopefully all this is true they got

1810
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:34,870
together a secretive investigative group

1811
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:37,390
this is a number of years ago and to

1812
01:24:41,550 --> 01:24:39,580
make a long story short with their

1813
01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:41,560
security clearances and their knowledge

1814
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:45,640
of the military and the civilian defense

1815
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:47,710
contractors and so forth they

1816
01:24:52,410 --> 01:24:50,110
interviewed a whole lot of very

1817
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:52,420
high-level people that we can assume

1818
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,090
that someone else would not have an

1819
01:24:59,520 --> 01:24:57,760
opportunity to interview or if they did

1820
01:25:02,160 --> 01:24:59,530
they wouldn't get the same kind of

1821
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:02,170
answers and the bottom line from all of

1822
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:04,570
that which is very long and complex is

1823
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:08,350
that they found a lot of what we say

1824
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:11,920
groups or institutions in the government

1825
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:15,010
civilian and military where the people

1826
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:16,690
they talked to said yes there is a

1827
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:20,530
flying saucer project but it is not in

1828
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:23,080
our Institute it's somewhere else I

1829
01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:24,910
don't know where it is but it's not here

1830
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:27,400
and that's the story they got everywhere

1831
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:29,650
sounds like a couple of dozen places or

1832
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:32,530
more and so at the end although they

1833
01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:35,050
should improve it it just seems obvious

1834
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:37,780
at least from what they learned there is

1835
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:40,930
no such government in investigation it's

1836
01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:42,550
not here it's not there it's not there

1837
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:45,580
and in the end it's not anywhere is that

1838
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,290
also maybe a way of deflecting attention

1839
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:49,360
you say I don't know about it go that

1840
01:25:55,470 --> 01:25:50,890
way and you have your fingers pointing

1841
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:55,480
in opposite directions would indicate

1842
01:26:00,840 --> 01:25:58,239
which I happen to believe that we don't

1843
01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:00,850
have captured saucers and that the

1844
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:02,920
military don't know a whole lot more

1845
01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:06,190
than we do about what saucers are and

1846
01:26:10,710 --> 01:26:08,860
there's also a bias against

1847
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:10,720
investigating them because the whole

1848
01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:15,760
subject seems to be so crazy so there if

1849
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:17,860
there is very little interest by the

1850
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:20,530
federal government in the subject it is

1851
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:23,050
no wonder that you can't get better

1852
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:24,910
answers from them because do you think

1853
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:27,220
the Air Force or anyone else or the

1854
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:29,980
president want to come out and make a

1855
01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:31,810
public statement and say look folks

1856
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:34,420
we've been bothered by some very strange

1857
01:26:39,919 --> 01:26:37,090
sightings for a period of 60 or more

1858
01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:39,929
years now and we really don't know what

1859
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,150
it doesn't seem to be anything made on

1860
01:26:46,969 --> 01:26:44,760
earth but we haven't been able to figure

1861
01:26:49,219 --> 01:26:46,979
out what it is and where it comes from

1862
01:26:51,649 --> 01:26:49,229
but don't worry about it now you're

1863
01:26:54,259 --> 01:26:51,659
never going to get any such public

1864
01:26:56,179 --> 01:26:54,269
statement but that would be very close

1865
01:26:58,879 --> 01:26:56,189
to the truth if there was such a

1866
01:27:00,949 --> 01:26:58,889
statement ever made parenthetically I

1867
01:27:04,939 --> 01:27:00,959
recently became acquainted with a former

1868
01:27:07,969 --> 01:27:04,949
Mossad spy from Israel Viktor Ostrovsky

1869
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:07,979
and he's an artist he's also a publisher

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and a printer and he might be printing

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one of our books as a matter of fact in

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any case he says what he observed in his

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experience and he's dealt with

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governments we think the Israeli

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equivalent of the CIA has gotta be one

1876
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of the top agencies out there he says

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the problem with governments is they are

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all incompetent learn they're all

1879
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incompetent so how can you expect them

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to hold a secret as important if UFOs

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are real as a UFO mystery how could you

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expect that if they are at the core what

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you're saying you couldn't keep that

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important their secret absolutely not it

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would leave blank appears well that's

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not a great thing about ours in this

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book that she explains in detail why

1888
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that is in brief no matter how many

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black projects you have and all that and

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there is a fortune spent by the

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government and black projects that we

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are not told about at all but if you

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wanted to create for example a black

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project investigating saucers or pulling

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them apart to see how they work or

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whatever you would have to take the

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budget for that my project away from

1898
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:23,939
some other projects and you're talking

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about very large sums of money and to

1900
01:28:31,489 --> 01:28:28,860
again make a long story short you cannot

1901
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do that without drawing attention there

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is some degree of oversight even to

1903
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:40,260
disagree with you on that one Jim I mean

1904
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:42,329
look at Donald Rumsfeld the first thing

1905
01:28:45,759 --> 01:28:44,249
he did when he got in as Secretary of

1906
01:28:48,169 --> 01:28:45,769
Defense as he did a complete

1907
01:28:51,649 --> 01:28:48,179
top-to-bottom audit of the Department of

1908
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Defense and of course announced that

1909
01:29:02,750 --> 01:28:53,640
they were missing 2.2 TRO

1910
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:02,760
in dollars the day after 9/11 so why

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01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:06,900
would they do it was a scheduled of

1912
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:14,100
hearing I think point two trillion

1913
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:16,920
dollars for trillion dollars had been

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01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:20,100
misappropriated and was there somewhere

1915
01:29:24,230 --> 01:29:21,420
they didn't it wasn't in the right place

1916
01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:24,240
but out of that four trillion dollars

1917
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:26,580
two point two of it appeared to be

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01:29:31,310 --> 01:29:29,730
missing so we looked for the case the

1919
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:31,320
missing money and by the way I have it

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under my mattress in case you're looking

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I'm gene Steinberg our guest is Jim

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Mosely the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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you're in the para cast

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio we're back with Jim

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Mosley talking about fakes frauds and

2031
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:22,190
such in the UFO and paranormal research

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01:34:26,260 --> 01:34:24,590
I'm Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the

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01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:26,270
co-host on the podcast so we were

2034
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:28,400
alerting Jim to the fact that 2.2

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01:34:32,590 --> 01:34:30,890
trillion dollars unaccounted for and

2036
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:32,600
we're worrying about budgets of one and

2037
01:34:36,130 --> 01:34:34,640
a half trillion the money's there it's

2038
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:36,140
just that we don't know where it is it's

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under not my mattress somebody's

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01:34:49,780 --> 01:34:47,510
mattress oh that that was a let's say if

2041
01:34:51,820 --> 01:34:49,790
there was a follow-up that there must

2042
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,830
have been I'm sure they must have

2043
01:34:56,140 --> 01:34:53,840
located most of it sooner or later I

2044
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:56,150
mean that sounds like just the scary

2045
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,360
headline kind of thing I don't know well

2046
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:01,760
I've never seen anybody come up with the

2047
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:05,090
follow-up to that I would have liked

2048
01:35:12,580 --> 01:35:07,810
that important believe me there would be

2049
01:35:17,260 --> 01:35:12,590
a lot of zeros yeah I mean that's that's

2050
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:17,270
not petty cash I can see this no I can't

2051
01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:20,290
I can't explain that to you but dr.

2052
01:35:26,290 --> 01:35:24,140
Alexander at least for his own purposes

2053
01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:26,300
the convinces himself and hopefully

2054
01:35:32,860 --> 01:35:29,480
others that basically that's there is

2055
01:35:35,620 --> 01:35:32,870
not as much to this mystery as we like

2056
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:35,630
to believe but at the same time he is

2057
01:35:42,460 --> 01:35:39,110
like I am a 4d thicker or whatever he

2058
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:42,470
thinks that the interplanetary theory is

2059
01:35:48,220 --> 01:35:45,280
less likely than other theories but that

2060
01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:48,230
whatever it is it is beyond our

2061
01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:53,300
technology and it is a definite mystery

2062
01:35:58,480 --> 01:35:55,670
and I am sure he basic clear that it

2063
01:36:00,580 --> 01:35:58,490
borders on the paranormal which is what

2064
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:00,590
I also believe I think all those

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01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:03,890
weirdness is different aspects of a

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whole realm that we do not understand

2067
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,080
and probably will not understand for

2068
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quite a few years ago we've kind of

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moved

2070
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from that question from Blowfish we had

2071
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part one Chris is there a part two or

2072
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:19,880
three we need to answer oh there is

2073
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:23,280
g'day mr. Jim Mosley Betty and Barney

2074
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:29,010
Hill frauds or legitimate case well you

2075
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:32,190
can't answer in that way they believed

2076
01:36:37,069 --> 01:36:34,500
that they had an experience they did

2077
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,079
have an experience I don't think they

2078
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made it up just what their experience

2079
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:41,940
was I do not know there are a lot of

2080
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:44,480
weirdnesses and Lutheran's there true

2081
01:36:49,729 --> 01:36:47,130
whether they physically went aboard a

2082
01:36:52,850 --> 01:36:49,739
spaceship maybe maybe not

2083
01:36:55,370 --> 01:36:52,860
and maybe it's false memories maybe

2084
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:55,380
there were dreams that they contaminated

2085
01:37:01,520 --> 01:36:57,900
each other with I really don't know I

2086
01:37:04,580 --> 01:37:01,530
have met Betty hello a few times she

2087
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:04,590
lectured for one of my conventions in

2088
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New York City in 1980 and she is

2089
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:10,469
undoubtably nobody especially Friedman

2090
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:13,260
ever wants to admit this but she is a

2091
01:37:20,839 --> 01:37:16,650
fantasy prone individual a very nice

2092
01:37:24,919 --> 01:37:20,849
lady but I would not believe her in

2093
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:24,929
detail about anything as unusual as that

2094
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:27,780
all I can tell you is that she spoken at

2095
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a convention and I don't know maybe a

2096
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:33,270
couple hundred people in the audience

2097
01:37:40,459 --> 01:37:36,540
she gets up there and after her

2098
01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:40,469
well-known contact experience that we

2099
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:43,230
both what about she kept having other of

2100
01:37:47,540 --> 01:37:45,510
minor experiences up near where she

2101
01:37:50,780 --> 01:37:47,550
lived and she went around taking

2102
01:37:53,419 --> 01:37:50,790
pictures of alleged UFOs here there in

2103
01:37:55,810 --> 01:37:53,429
the other place and she had slides among

2104
01:37:59,060 --> 01:37:55,820
which she was showing to our audience

2105
01:38:02,270 --> 01:37:59,070
unfortunately these slides most of them

2106
01:38:04,879 --> 01:38:02,280
showed advances blank sky or there'd be

2107
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:04,889
a blank sky dark in other words with

2108
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:07,199
maybe one pinpoint of light somewhere

2109
01:38:13,339 --> 01:38:10,440
and the slides of that nature and she

2110
01:38:16,819 --> 01:38:13,349
lost the attention and the goodwill of

2111
01:38:19,700 --> 01:38:16,829
this Pro saucer audience I kid you not

2112
01:38:21,589 --> 01:38:19,710
this is the I think I wrote it up in my

2113
01:38:23,539 --> 01:38:21,599
book I'm not sure but it's a very

2114
01:38:27,049 --> 01:38:23,549
strange and other

2115
01:38:29,689 --> 01:38:27,059
amusing incident and I as most of this

2116
01:38:32,929 --> 01:38:29,699
thing actually jumped up on the stage

2117
01:38:34,879 --> 01:38:32,939
where she was speaking and I mean they

2118
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weren't gonna Lynch or anything but I

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01:38:38,779 --> 01:38:37,049
think they were turning a gesture

2120
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there were boos here and there and I

2121
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said you know look folks lady hell is

2122
01:38:46,699 --> 01:38:44,039
our guest to be mistreated blah blah

2123
01:38:50,029 --> 01:38:46,709
blah in a proper way and so forth but

2124
01:38:52,699 --> 01:38:50,039
that's how believable she seemed to be a

2125
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:52,709
chiller Pro saucer audience and that's

2126
01:38:58,549 --> 01:38:55,409
something that about Betty hill that is

2127
01:39:01,039 --> 01:38:58,559
not very well known Wow Wow

2128
01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:01,049
I never heard that that she claimed that

2129
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:09,229
absolutely I think it was because she

2130
01:39:15,589 --> 01:39:12,329
did have this one experience and I guess

2131
01:39:18,349 --> 01:39:15,599
she likes publicity likes attention or

2132
01:39:21,769 --> 01:39:18,359
something and after it not before it but

2133
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:21,779
after it obviously as a result of her

2134
01:39:26,659 --> 01:39:24,510
abduction or whatever she became very

2135
01:39:28,339 --> 01:39:26,669
interested in the subjects and I think

2136
01:39:30,739 --> 01:39:28,349
she had a little group up near where she

2137
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,749
lived that would get exactly where she

2138
01:39:37,039 --> 01:39:33,119
was so learn more like New Hampshire

2139
01:39:39,559 --> 01:39:37,049
Eisen oh yeah and and she just went

2140
01:39:41,289 --> 01:39:39,569
around seeing things and taking pictures

2141
01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:41,299
of things that most of them were

2142
01:39:48,109 --> 01:39:45,179
reflections on a railroad track or you

2143
01:39:50,419 --> 01:39:48,119
know an airplane or god knows what these

2144
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:50,429
were ridiculous pictures but they were

2145
01:39:54,349 --> 01:39:52,049
mean

2146
01:39:55,909 --> 01:39:54,359
well maybe the trauma of the original

2147
01:39:59,029 --> 01:39:55,919
experience was so much that she kept

2148
01:40:01,129 --> 01:39:59,039
looking for more evidence in places that

2149
01:40:04,069 --> 01:40:01,139
maybe it didn't exist I'm just thinking

2150
01:40:06,349 --> 01:40:04,079
the devil's advocate position that's the

2151
01:40:09,319 --> 01:40:06,359
core experience romantic trying to tell

2152
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:09,329
you about it's a very good point let's

2153
01:40:13,399 --> 01:40:11,129
go back to the core experience though

2154
01:40:18,109 --> 01:40:13,409
you feel something really happened to

2155
01:40:20,449 --> 01:40:18,119
her and her husband as described what do

2156
01:40:23,809 --> 01:40:20,459
you feel they were abducted or what well

2157
01:40:29,919 --> 01:40:23,819
well I think they were I wasn't there I

2158
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:33,880
something placed in their mind beamed in

2159
01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:36,480
some outside intelligence or we could

2160
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:38,760
have been a physical experience the

2161
01:40:43,700 --> 01:40:41,250
thing that drives me right off the wall

2162
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:43,710
and I think is utterly ludicrous is the

2163
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:44,760
star map

2164
01:40:53,060 --> 01:40:50,130
you see interplanetary travelers I don't

2165
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:53,070
know much about them I've never met any

2166
01:40:59,150 --> 01:40:55,020
of them but I don't think they have

2167
01:41:02,090 --> 01:40:59,160
crude third-grade maps with limes

2168
01:41:04,130 --> 01:41:02,100
between planets and stuff but that

2169
01:41:07,670 --> 01:41:04,140
explains where they're from and where

2170
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:07,680
they're going the whole idea of the star

2171
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:10,650
map it just makes me sick I think I'd

2172
01:41:15,610 --> 01:41:13,050
have to say and yet Friedman and I guess

2173
01:41:18,380 --> 01:41:15,620
some other people still it's very

2174
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:18,390
important well of course here in the

2175
01:41:25,220 --> 01:41:21,090
21st century we have lots and lots of

2176
01:41:27,470 --> 01:41:25,230
cars with navigation systems and you

2177
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:27,480
know that's today the 21st century for

2178
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:31,020
on earth any car almost any car can be

2179
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:32,250
equipped with navigation they have

2180
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:34,710
optional navigation systems they have

2181
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,810
onboard navigation systems and even in

2182
01:41:40,459 --> 01:41:38,400
compact cars you know you buy a car

2183
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:40,469
fifteen twenty thousand that smore

2184
01:41:47,150 --> 01:41:45,090
sophisticated in the starmap okay so

2185
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:47,160
we're dealing with this civilization

2186
01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:50,610
that has to be far more advanced than we

2187
01:41:55,790 --> 01:41:52,350
are if they're traveling among the stars

2188
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:55,800
if they have some navigation system it's

2189
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:59,010
probably a 3d immersive kind of system

2190
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:01,560
that would be way beyond our

2191
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:04,230
understanding a star map I worry about

2192
01:42:17,330 --> 01:42:14,820
that - well I don't just like him but he

2193
01:42:20,590 --> 01:42:17,340
is a character and some other things if

2194
01:42:23,740 --> 01:42:20,600
he believes in are very strange and

2195
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:23,750
that's all I could say as a scientist he

2196
01:42:29,390 --> 01:42:27,840
makes a lot of mistakes I suppose then

2197
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,400
you don't agree about the mj-12

2198
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:31,199
documents you have to be skeptical about

2199
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:47,700
cowards in the saucer theory he doesn't

2200
01:42:54,510 --> 01:42:51,520
agree with but he does believe in some

2201
01:42:56,940 --> 01:42:54,520
of the cases one that he's very

2202
01:43:00,300 --> 01:42:56,950
interested in and so am i if you were a

2203
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:00,310
better reader of saucer smear which I'm

2204
01:43:05,190 --> 01:43:02,650
sure you are gene you would know that I

2205
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:05,200
am very interested in the cash Landrum

2206
01:43:12,150 --> 01:43:09,940
case and he talks about that off a very

2207
01:43:14,970 --> 01:43:12,160
very interesting case and there are

2208
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:14,980
dozens and dozens of very interesting

2209
01:43:21,210 --> 01:43:17,590
cases that are just unexplainable

2210
01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:21,220
in normal terms and so based on that I

2211
01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:23,560
believe there is a genuine mystery here

2212
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:26,380
but as I said before so much of it is

2213
01:43:33,090 --> 01:43:30,210
nonsense that did it's disheartening any

2214
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:33,100
objective person a scientist or whoever

2215
01:43:37,740 --> 01:43:34,810
that might want to get into this thing

2216
01:43:41,900 --> 01:43:37,750
and and and get to the bottom of it it's

2217
01:43:44,610 --> 01:43:41,910
just a quick same type of thing like

2218
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:44,620
well then we can also use an other point

2219
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:46,570
maybe the government is disinterested or

2220
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:48,610
maybe people in the government feed this

2221
01:43:54,420 --> 01:43:51,550
nonsense to us like an mj-12 and these

2222
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:54,430
other cases just to get us going in the

2223
01:43:57,660 --> 01:43:56,500
wrong direction so whether they care

2224
01:44:06,870 --> 01:43:57,670
about it or not at least we're not

2225
01:44:10,650 --> 01:44:06,880
looking in the right places we have 30

2226
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:10,660
seconds so instead let's do this let's

2227
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:12,910
have that discussion let's have that

2228
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:15,760
discussion in our next segment because

2229
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:19,050
we have Jim Mosely the publication is

2230
01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:22,480
saucers smear at p.o box one seven zero

2231
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:26,590
nine Key West Florida three three zero

2232
01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:28,960
four one so you don't forget it co-host

2233
01:44:36,490 --> 01:44:31,240
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

2234
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,350
[Music]

2235
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:42,159
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

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01:44:46,589 --> 01:44:44,409
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2237
01:44:48,659 --> 01:44:46,599
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01:44:56,339 --> 01:44:54,039
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2246
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,150
six nine seventy seven hundred hi this

2247
01:45:13,379 --> 01:45:11,679
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2248
01:45:15,239 --> 01:45:13,389
why banks stockbrokers investment

2249
01:45:16,830 --> 01:45:15,249
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2250
01:45:18,569 --> 01:45:16,840
they've been available since nineteen

2251
01:45:20,429 --> 01:45:18,579
eighty six yet the financial industry

2252
01:45:21,929 --> 01:45:20,439
won't recognize the value of gold for

2253
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:21,939
your retirement goal has outperformed

2254
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:24,489
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

2255
01:45:55,380 --> 01:45:26,289
if you would like to have gold for your

2256
01:46:00,040 --> 01:45:57,910
we have Jim Mosely editor of saucer

2257
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,050
smear I'm Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien's

2258
01:46:04,420 --> 01:46:02,000
the co-host and you are in the para cast

2259
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:04,430
for the final hour and we're covering

2260
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:07,130
some of your questions and also going

2261
01:46:11,980 --> 01:46:10,310
far far afield into many areas of UFO

2262
01:46:14,020 --> 01:46:11,990
and paranormal research that was

2263
01:46:15,790 --> 01:46:14,030
suggesting here that maybe some people

2264
01:46:18,610 --> 01:46:15,800
in the government are having fun

2265
01:46:21,790 --> 01:46:18,620
for whatever reason sending us some

2266
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:21,800
crazy directions like mj-12 with chasing

2267
01:46:27,070 --> 01:46:24,080
our tails well let me tell you this one

2268
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,080
back in the fifties and sixties I used

2269
01:46:33,850 --> 01:46:30,560
to go to the Pentagon they had a public

2270
01:46:38,770 --> 01:46:33,860
information office there on the UFO

2271
01:46:42,220 --> 01:46:38,780
topic and they had a low-grade officer

2272
01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:42,230
who was in charge of that very small

2273
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:45,020
project and for a few years

2274
01:46:51,370 --> 01:46:49,550
his name was Captain white and so I

2275
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:51,380
would call up and make an appointment

2276
01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:53,810
more or less you may say and go in there

2277
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:56,630
and talk to them about saucers and try

2278
01:47:02,320 --> 01:46:59,600
to learn whatever I could and often that

2279
01:47:05,650 --> 01:47:02,330
we would go to lunch together at the

2280
01:47:07,900 --> 01:47:05,660
cafeteria in the Pentagon and I remember

2281
01:47:10,300 --> 01:47:07,910
one time at lunch and that this is so

2282
01:47:14,170 --> 01:47:10,310
interesting I think I was telling him

2283
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:14,180
about a case I believe the year was 1967

2284
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:16,610
but I'm not sure gene you've probably

2285
01:47:23,380 --> 01:47:19,910
heard of this to some degree there were

2286
01:47:24,970 --> 01:47:23,390
two men described as engineers I don't

2287
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:24,980
know what they really were but they were

2288
01:47:31,900 --> 01:47:28,880
on shortwave radio communicating with

2289
01:47:34,030 --> 01:47:31,910
one or more entities that claimed to be

2290
01:47:36,220 --> 01:47:34,040
space people obviously they never saw

2291
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:36,230
them this is just radio and they were

2292
01:47:41,790 --> 01:47:39,050
told at one point they were made an

2293
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:41,800
appointment with whoever this

2294
01:47:48,660 --> 01:47:46,310
intelligence was to meet them in their

2295
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:48,670
flying saucer that these entities

2296
01:47:58,690 --> 01:47:54,050
allegedly had on a certain mountain hill

2297
01:48:01,390 --> 01:47:58,700
or mountain near Rio de Janeiro Brazil

2298
01:48:04,300 --> 01:48:01,400
that's where all this was going on they

2299
01:48:06,529 --> 01:48:04,310
went to the mountain and there's missing

2300
01:48:09,949 --> 01:48:06,539
elements there but at some

2301
01:48:13,279 --> 01:48:09,959
their bodies were found dead bodies the

2302
01:48:17,330 --> 01:48:13,289
cause of death was allegedly never found

2303
01:48:20,799 --> 01:48:17,340
they had iron masks of some sort over

2304
01:48:24,290 --> 01:48:20,809
their faces and some of the things like

2305
01:48:26,419 --> 01:48:24,300
toiletries and so on were lying near

2306
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:26,429
them it seemed implied that they were

2307
01:48:30,949 --> 01:48:29,159
expecting to go on a trip on this flying

2308
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:30,959
saucer instead of that they were found

2309
01:48:35,779 --> 01:48:34,050
dead now that is a unique case I have no

2310
01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:35,789
idea what really happened there it

2311
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,760
sounds to me like a murder period serial

2312
01:48:43,759 --> 01:48:40,800
killer or someone who just luring people

2313
01:48:46,879 --> 01:48:43,769
to the investigation the brazilian

2314
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:46,889
police you're very close to it so that

2315
01:48:52,279 --> 01:48:49,530
it didn't sound like a crackpot thing

2316
01:48:55,370 --> 01:48:52,289
they treated it like a normal murder

2317
01:48:57,919 --> 01:48:55,380
case these two peoples murder was never

2318
01:48:59,959 --> 01:48:57,929
solved so you can just stick with that

2319
01:49:02,359 --> 01:48:59,969
even if there's no soldiers involved

2320
01:49:04,969 --> 01:49:02,369
it's very very peculiar well the point

2321
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,979
of the story is so I told that to

2322
01:49:10,129 --> 01:49:07,679
captain a white during lunch one day and

2323
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:10,139
at first he was very interested he said

2324
01:49:15,469 --> 01:49:13,170
I remember he said by god that's that's

2325
01:49:18,979 --> 01:49:15,479
really strange I never heard that before

2326
01:49:20,989 --> 01:49:18,989
and I said yes I said it's really one of

2327
01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:20,999
the best cases I've ever heard and he

2328
01:49:27,919 --> 01:49:23,820
said oh wait a minute where did you say

2329
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:27,929
that happened and I said Brazil he said

2330
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:30,780
Brazil he said I don't have to worry

2331
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,639
about that at all our mandate is to

2332
01:49:39,410 --> 01:49:37,199
protect the skies of the United States

2333
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:39,420
of America and whatever happened in

2334
01:49:44,359 --> 01:49:42,239
Brazil I couldn't care less something of

2335
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:44,369
that effect and I thought that was a

2336
01:49:47,929 --> 01:49:46,920
very true statement in a very

2337
01:49:49,729 --> 01:49:47,939
interesting one

2338
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:49,739
okay so you got some more parts of that

2339
01:49:54,020 --> 01:49:51,719
question and some other questions well I

2340
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:54,030
do I have a number of questions here and

2341
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:55,650
let's start with this one do you think

2342
01:50:00,679 --> 01:49:58,530
that the hoaxing frauds resume padding

2343
01:50:03,319 --> 01:50:00,689
in the field of paranormal and UFO

2344
01:50:05,060 --> 01:50:03,329
research is the primary reason that this

2345
01:50:06,979 --> 01:50:05,070
field isn't taken serious by mainstream

2346
01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:06,989
science and the media and the general

2347
01:50:16,819 --> 01:50:14,420
public there are so many hoaxes so many

2348
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:16,829
misinterpretations it's such a cetera

2349
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:18,450
I'm mixed in with

2350
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:21,000
course phenomenon or whatever the real

2351
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:23,930
stuff is I mean you just can't easily

2352
01:50:31,670 --> 01:50:27,980
separate it and objectives the people

2353
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:31,680
take a look at some of this would be say

2354
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:33,930
to themselves you know I think I'll skip

2355
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:36,690
this after all that's how most people do

2356
01:50:41,630 --> 01:50:38,850
or there's many others as you both know

2357
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:41,640
that get into the saucer field for a

2358
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:44,520
while and see how weird it is and just

2359
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,760
quit at a given point or sudden once in

2360
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:50,400
a while they make up some strange exotic

2361
01:50:55,460 --> 01:50:53,490
reason to quit but they do three men in

2362
01:50:57,710 --> 01:50:55,470
black came to them and said you know the

2363
01:51:06,910 --> 01:50:57,720
truth get out of the field all right

2364
01:51:08,930 --> 01:51:06,920
well in fact what he's even tried to

2365
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:08,940
that was it that was another question

2366
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,850
Jim whether the men in black had ever

2367
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:12,480
paid you a visit

2368
01:51:18,590 --> 01:51:16,440
well the short answer is no but you know

2369
01:51:21,260 --> 01:51:18,600
it sounds like I'm not doing this

2370
01:51:23,630 --> 01:51:21,270
deliberately but everything that we seem

2371
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:23,640
to be talking about there's some

2372
01:51:29,390 --> 01:51:25,890
reference to it in these next issues

2373
01:51:31,460 --> 01:51:29,400
where I had a strange experience that

2374
01:51:36,740 --> 01:51:31,470
was made it was nothing to do with

2375
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:36,750
anyone trying to hush me up and it runs

2376
01:51:41,480 --> 01:51:38,730
about a page again it would be a long

2377
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,490
story to try to tell on the air what is

2378
01:51:45,410 --> 01:51:43,440
an overview and people can subscribe to

2379
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:45,420
saucer smearing here the rest

2380
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:48,930
yeah well briefly in New York City back

2381
01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:53,280
when I was married in about 1964 or

2382
01:52:00,380 --> 01:51:56,490
there above I got a phone call from a

2383
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:00,390
guy named Alexander no last name I went

2384
01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:03,030
into a hotel in New York and had dinner

2385
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:05,490
with Alexander and a girl that was with

2386
01:52:12,110 --> 01:52:09,030
him Alexander was trying a very crude

2387
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:12,120
obvious way to convince me that he was a

2388
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:15,450
spaceman there was nothing about he was

2389
01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:18,240
a little not odd-looking but he was not

2390
01:52:22,670 --> 01:52:20,700
an American he was probably European

2391
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:22,680
from whatever country he had a slight

2392
01:52:29,380 --> 01:52:25,410
accent there's nothing mysterious about

2393
01:52:32,060 --> 01:52:29,390
him at all after that had him out to

2394
01:52:34,820 --> 01:52:32,070
apartment in New Jersey

2395
01:52:36,890 --> 01:52:34,830
my wife and I had risen to dinner he was

2396
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:36,900
talking in the same vein he was trying

2397
01:52:44,630 --> 01:52:40,020
to show that he had paranormal powers

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01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:44,640
which he absolutely did not have and I

2399
01:52:51,260 --> 01:52:48,600
never figured out what the motive there

2400
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:51,270
was he never I mean my wife thought that

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01:52:55,340 --> 01:52:53,280
he was a con man he was going to ask for

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01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:55,350
money but he never did ask for money

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01:53:03,110 --> 01:52:59,520
after having met us in our apartment

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01:53:05,150 --> 01:53:03,120
that time he called up I don't know a

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01:53:07,610 --> 01:53:05,160
few days later or whenever and said he

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01:53:10,190 --> 01:53:07,620
was going to Washington on business and

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01:53:12,110 --> 01:53:10,200
he'd be back in a couple of weeks and we

2408
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:12,120
never heard from him again

2409
01:53:20,590 --> 01:53:16,320
he pulled a similar routine on a couple

2410
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:20,600
of other but he never asked for money I

2411
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:23,280
remember at the time you and I were

2412
01:53:30,350 --> 01:53:25,800
talking about this I don't think I met

2413
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:30,360
Alexander no I mean other people like

2414
01:53:37,190 --> 01:53:34,530
hand Stefan I believe it was well-known

2415
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:37,200
science fiction editor who is feeding

2416
01:53:44,450 --> 01:53:41,040
Longfield very interesting part so I

2417
01:53:46,820 --> 01:53:44,460
just assumed that this girl was his

2418
01:53:50,150 --> 01:53:46,830
girlfriend or whatever I mean she didn't

2419
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:50,160
talk much and I guess he was the star or

2420
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:52,910
the thing he did all the talking well

2421
01:53:59,780 --> 01:53:56,370
maybe two or more weeks after he

2422
01:54:01,880 --> 01:53:59,790
disappeared my wife and I were this is I

2423
01:54:03,170 --> 01:54:01,890
think it's a little bit strange but it's

2424
01:54:05,870 --> 01:54:03,180
not really paranoia

2425
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:05,880
we were at a party in New York City

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01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:08,490
something you do with people we knew

2427
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:11,510
they were involved in our torsos or

2428
01:54:17,900 --> 01:54:14,520
nothing whatever to do the flying

2429
01:54:20,210 --> 01:54:17,910
saucers nobody at that party as far as I

2430
01:54:21,290 --> 01:54:20,220
know had anything to do with sources

2431
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:21,300
except me

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01:54:27,020 --> 01:54:23,850
it was an entirely different environment

2433
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:27,030
and it was on a roof you could say like

2434
01:54:32,180 --> 01:54:30,090
a penthouse is sometime in New York a

2435
01:54:34,340 --> 01:54:32,190
quarter it's quite a nice environment

2436
01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:34,350
you know a little grapes and food and

2437
01:54:40,730 --> 01:54:38,460
whatever and my wife says to me look

2438
01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:40,740
over there that's the girl that was with

2439
01:54:45,570 --> 01:54:42,760
Alexander and I say

2440
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:45,580
oh come on well I can never recognize

2441
01:54:49,980 --> 01:54:47,290
people anyhow I think I have many

2442
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,990
problems but she recognized this woman

2443
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:52,000
who went over and talked to her she was

2444
01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:54,040
by herself and I don't think she looks

2445
01:54:58,650 --> 01:54:56,260
anyone but certainly not Alan Santa and

2446
01:55:01,920 --> 01:54:58,660
we asked her well what is this all about

2447
01:55:04,650 --> 01:55:01,930
well she said that he came to New York

2448
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:04,660
he put an ad in the paper for a

2449
01:55:11,460 --> 01:55:06,970
secretary and she answered the ad

2450
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,470
he took a an office in New York so we're

2451
01:55:17,130 --> 01:55:14,320
paid an advanced rent on the office paid

2452
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:17,140
her advance salary and then left town

2453
01:55:22,020 --> 01:55:19,630
and his trip to Washington and she never

2454
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:22,030
saw him again either and that's the end

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of the story

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and as a matter of fact this is the end

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we have Jim Mosely editor of saucers

2564
02:00:23,220 --> 02:00:21,280
smear the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:23,230
Jean Steinberg you're in the para cast

2566
02:00:28,290 --> 02:00:25,330
and we were going through remaining

2567
02:00:30,330 --> 02:00:28,300
questions so Alexander who never

2568
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:30,340
returned didn't seem like a man in black

2569
02:00:42,060 --> 02:00:36,970
maybe some kind of crack correct from

2570
02:00:44,100 --> 02:00:42,070
our forum the para cast forum I have

2571
02:00:46,710 --> 02:00:44,110
another one here isn't it reasonable for

2572
02:00:48,630 --> 02:00:46,720
a speaker or author to assume that

2573
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:48,640
people conference organizers

2574
02:00:53,490 --> 02:00:50,770
interviewers researchers or fans are

2575
02:00:55,650 --> 02:00:53,500
going to check the references and claims

2576
02:01:00,840 --> 02:00:55,660
does that happen often enough do you

2577
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:00,850
think I was kind of a softball question

2578
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:02,620
that one's from trained observer he's

2579
02:01:06,900 --> 02:01:04,450
from Dallas he's been on the podcast

2580
02:01:09,870 --> 02:01:06,910
since last year all right so obviously

2581
02:01:12,780 --> 02:01:09,880
it doesn't huh do you think this is

2582
02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:12,790
gonna unleash a whole spate of skeptics

2583
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:16,510
going and digging into you know a list

2584
02:01:24,210 --> 02:01:22,090
people's bona fides well I mean there is

2585
02:01:25,710 --> 02:01:24,220
so much consonants in the field that if

2586
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:25,720
someone wants to come in and say look

2587
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:28,090
I'm looking for a new hobby I'm

2588
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:30,130
open-minded I want to learn more about

2589
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:32,290
the flying saucers very often that

2590
02:01:37,830 --> 02:01:34,450
person will just throw in the towel at a

2591
02:01:40,830 --> 02:01:37,840
given point because there's too much but

2592
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:40,840
is it also true guys that in a case like

2593
02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:43,330
this when a person says they have a

2594
02:01:47,820 --> 02:01:45,880
degree in advanced degree whatever under

2595
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:47,830
any circumstances you kind of take them

2596
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:49,510
at your word you know you're not going

2597
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:51,130
to say to everybody who says as well

2598
02:01:54,810 --> 02:01:52,810
show me your degree prove you have a

2599
02:01:57,030 --> 02:01:54,820
degree I understand with someone seeks

2600
02:01:59,190 --> 02:01:57,040
employment even then people get away

2601
02:02:01,890 --> 02:01:59,200
with it what do you know gene do you

2602
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:01,900
know the name McIntyre

2603
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:04,480
I think first name

2604
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:09,650
William McIntyre he ran a small saucer

2605
02:02:16,899 --> 02:02:13,010
group in Maryland at one time many years

2606
02:02:19,180 --> 02:02:16,909
ago and you talk about degrees he had I

2607
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:19,190
only found out later that this was all

2608
02:02:25,180 --> 02:02:21,920
nonsense in his basement he had sort of

2609
02:02:27,609 --> 02:02:25,190
an office that were devoted to saucers

2610
02:02:31,419 --> 02:02:27,619
and so on and on the walls

2611
02:02:34,330 --> 02:02:31,429
he had framed certificates of degrees

2612
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:34,340
that he had some here and there and he

2613
02:02:39,540 --> 02:02:37,610
also had this is even better pictures of

2614
02:02:42,609 --> 02:02:39,550
him shaking hands with various

2615
02:02:44,109 --> 02:02:42,619
celebrities my impression after having

2616
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:44,119
heard more about him later

2617
02:02:50,109 --> 02:02:47,119
all of that was nonsense all of these

2618
02:02:52,660 --> 02:02:50,119
friends certificates were not real and

2619
02:02:55,479 --> 02:02:52,670
the others were pasted up you take a

2620
02:02:57,250 --> 02:02:55,489
certain celebrity and put him there in

2621
02:02:58,899 --> 02:02:57,260
the right way and you know they're

2622
02:03:01,029 --> 02:02:58,909
shaking hands but there's two different

2623
02:03:03,370 --> 02:03:01,039
pictures you know that's just another

2624
02:03:05,529 --> 02:03:03,380
example if we go on like this for

2625
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:05,539
another 20 hours I'll think of even more

2626
02:03:10,839 --> 02:03:08,570
cases than no one would hope not

2627
02:03:13,569 --> 02:03:10,849
I mean this field already is we're

2628
02:03:15,790 --> 02:03:13,579
already considered to be you know half

2629
02:03:17,470 --> 02:03:15,800
half off our rockers just for having an

2630
02:03:20,979 --> 02:03:17,480
interest in this subject and boy when

2631
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:20,989
scandals and and saucer-like smears

2632
02:03:25,029 --> 02:03:23,210
happen from time to time it just

2633
02:03:28,330 --> 02:03:25,039
denigrates the field all that much more

2634
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:28,340
the titer is zero zero one as it has

2635
02:03:32,649 --> 02:03:31,010
been a forum poster for about three

2636
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:32,659
three years now four years

2637
02:03:40,750 --> 02:03:35,840
and he asks interesting question which I

2638
02:03:43,390 --> 02:03:40,760
like to hear the answer to as well he

2639
02:03:52,660 --> 02:03:43,400
calls himself tighter tighter zero zero

2640
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:52,670
one yeah most of these people up here

2641
02:03:55,959 --> 02:03:54,050
don't use their real names and less

2642
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:55,969
asked and some of them refuse to divulge

2643
02:04:00,640 --> 02:03:58,010
who they are because for fear of

2644
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:00,650
ridicule at their jobs or from their

2645
02:04:04,479 --> 02:04:02,570
friends and stuff which is unfortunate

2646
02:04:07,060 --> 02:04:04,489
but we do have a lot of very very smart

2647
02:04:09,279 --> 02:04:07,070
up-to-speed people that they post on the

2648
02:04:11,740 --> 02:04:09,289
forum and listen to the show his

2649
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:11,750
questions interesting he says I noticed

2650
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:14,030
saucer smear back issues are being sold

2651
02:04:17,379 --> 02:04:15,920
for Kindle the other day do you know

2652
02:04:19,149 --> 02:04:17,389
what Kindle is Jim

2653
02:04:21,609 --> 02:04:19,159
it's the electronic book that's gonna be

2654
02:04:25,870 --> 02:04:21,619
taken over print print publishing here

2655
02:04:28,780 --> 02:04:25,880
pretty soon yeah it's like it's like a

2656
02:04:31,060 --> 02:04:28,790
it's an electronic book and you can put

2657
02:04:32,379 --> 02:04:31,070
10,000 books into it I'm just waiting

2658
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:32,389
for them to come out with one and when

2659
02:04:39,060 --> 02:04:34,250
you electronically turn the page it

2660
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:43,180
correct they've already sold more kindle

2661
02:04:48,669 --> 02:04:45,710
downloads on amazon i think for the

2662
02:04:54,010 --> 02:04:48,679
first time then sold actually you know

2663
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:54,020
hardcopy books what could I tell you

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02:04:59,439 --> 02:04:57,440
another 50 years and there won't be

2665
02:05:02,350 --> 02:04:59,449
anybody that wants to get the print

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02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:02,360
version that's really it's almost at

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02:05:08,050 --> 02:05:05,330
that episode that little scene in Star

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Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan one of the

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presents that Captain Kirk receives from

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dr. McCoy is a printed book in the 23rd

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century dan in reading glasses 23rd

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02:05:25,359 --> 02:05:22,250
century I'm not sure if we're gonna have

2673
02:05:34,149 --> 02:05:25,369
printed books anyway did you sell the

2674
02:05:37,470 --> 02:05:34,159
rights to saucer smear to Amazon in this

2675
02:05:40,689 --> 02:05:37,480
country who admits this by the way

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02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:40,699
elected the public office and what they

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02:05:51,310 --> 02:05:46,850
did wait you've heard of just trying to

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remember in his name he is a distributor

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02:06:00,160 --> 02:05:55,850
of saucers beans and you know DVDs and

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02:06:05,979 --> 02:06:00,170
God knows what in in California UFOs

2681
02:06:08,109 --> 02:06:05,989
flash TV yeah Tim Crawford yep Tim

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Crawford right yeah well I have a

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02:06:13,540 --> 02:06:11,210
written contract with him that he does

2684
02:06:18,010 --> 02:06:13,550
whatever he's doing and sends me

2685
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:18,020
whatever percentage he's sending this

2686
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:19,520
Agreement wherever percentage I'm

2687
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:21,770
sending you take it's kind of like the

2688
02:06:30,189 --> 02:06:26,210
interest rate on new car loan I don't

2689
02:06:30,820 --> 02:06:30,199
know he's cooking the books cuz I don't

2690
02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:30,830
even know

2691
02:06:36,670 --> 02:06:33,400
books I mean the whole thing I figured

2692
02:06:39,010 --> 02:06:36,680
whatever he's doing I mean he does send

2693
02:06:41,500 --> 02:06:39,020
me money that's the good part every

2694
02:06:43,540 --> 02:06:41,510
three months religiously he does do it

2695
02:06:46,420 --> 02:06:43,550
just what the contract says

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02:06:48,700 --> 02:06:46,430
and I get fifty sixty dollars every

2697
02:06:51,010 --> 02:06:48,710
three months and he there's even a

2698
02:06:54,250 --> 02:06:51,020
printout of the gobbledygook that

2699
02:06:58,990 --> 02:06:54,260
explains why the total is what it is and

2700
02:07:01,330 --> 02:06:59,000
so yes he is selling electronic versions

2701
02:07:05,890 --> 02:07:01,340
of filters from you on the net somehow

2702
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:05,900
and so it is on the net from now through

2703
02:07:10,990 --> 02:07:08,030
him and maybe through other means I have

2704
02:07:14,290 --> 02:07:11,000
no idea maybe a license it to Kindle

2705
02:07:16,030 --> 02:07:14,300
that's all that's good to know it sounds

2706
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,040
like you licensed it to Kindle who is

2707
02:07:20,890 --> 02:07:19,040
the that's the brand name of the Amazon

2708
02:07:26,770 --> 02:07:20,900
version of these new electronic books

2709
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:26,780
that are out well you you know it's it's

2710
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:28,250
good Jim it just means that you

2711
02:07:33,730 --> 02:07:31,010
expanding your readership and generally

2712
02:07:36,940 --> 02:07:33,740
Kindle users I think tend to be more

2713
02:07:38,230 --> 02:07:36,950
younger so you know you're I think

2714
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:38,240
you're you're getting a whole new

2715
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:40,010
readership which is which is a good

2716
02:07:54,340 --> 02:07:51,530
thing and this is kind of in a way my I

2717
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:54,350
will not give the actual figure of the

2718
02:08:00,820 --> 02:07:56,690
number of print copies that I send out

2719
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:00,830
of each issue but I will say that the

2720
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number is getting smaller year by year

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and the reason is that most of my

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hardcore nonsubscribers are old not most

2723
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of them quite as old as I am but old and

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they are dying Jim we'll get into more

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of this in a moment I don't want to even

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cover that issue because of your

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anniversary coming up August 4th eighty

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years of age Jim Mosely editor of saucer

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smear Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm

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gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

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[Music]

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02:12:57,970 --> 02:12:56,120
this is a skirt 17 author you up on the

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streets and you're listening to the para

2829
02:13:04,210 --> 02:13:02,680
before we get started with the rest of

2830
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:04,220
the interview we are continuing to

2831
02:13:09,130 --> 02:13:07,010
investigate the authenticity of the

2832
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credentials from Philip J M Bragg know

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02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:12,020
and so far we're not able to confirm his

2834
02:13:17,050 --> 02:13:14,690
claim that he got a degree in earth

2835
02:13:19,180 --> 02:13:17,060
science from Boston College which has no

2836
02:13:21,670 --> 02:13:19,190
record of him attending or earning a

2837
02:13:23,230 --> 02:13:21,680
degree our investigation continues in

2838
02:13:25,630 --> 02:13:23,240
our previous segment we were referring

2839
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:25,640
to the fact that some of Jim's

2840
02:13:30,190 --> 02:13:28,010
nonsubscribers for saucer smear are

2841
02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:30,200
getting old possibly dying we do not

2842
02:13:34,450 --> 02:13:31,730
want to think about such things and

2843
02:13:36,340 --> 02:13:34,460
let's just leave we won't Chris Ryan's

2844
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:36,350
the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg I'm the

2845
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:38,810
para cast more questions Chris yeah

2846
02:13:42,220 --> 02:13:40,130
here's one for you

2847
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:42,230
does the lack of accountability within

2848
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the UFO paranormal research community

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02:13:49,930 --> 02:13:47,660
itself forever consign it to the realm

2850
02:13:56,110 --> 02:13:49,940
of entertainment and not serious

2851
02:13:58,720 --> 02:13:56,120
research question in a way it is

2852
02:14:00,760 --> 02:13:58,730
entertainment anything that entertains

2853
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:00,770
you is that hopefully there's some

2854
02:14:05,530 --> 02:14:03,530
degree of credibility and you just have

2855
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:05,540
to make up your own mind for yourself

2856
02:14:10,660 --> 02:14:07,760
when you read these things like if you

2857
02:14:12,670 --> 02:14:10,670
read something on any other subject you

2858
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:12,680
have to decide what you choose to

2859
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:14,450
believe and what you don't and that's

2860
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:16,910
all I can say about that well is it part

2861
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:19,490
of it that because this field is fringe

2862
02:14:23,530 --> 02:14:21,650
it's not supposed to be taken seriously

2863
02:14:24,970 --> 02:14:23,540
by most people it's a form of

2864
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:24,980
entertainment there can't be

2865
02:14:29,380 --> 02:14:26,960
accountability how do you count for

2866
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:29,390
fantasy well I can only say this it

2867
02:14:35,550 --> 02:14:31,850
seems that people thinking for instance

2868
02:14:38,860 --> 02:14:35,560
UFOs as a theory you might say as a

2869
02:14:41,860 --> 02:14:38,870
existing thing even from another planet

2870
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:41,870
and that's an intellectual thing that's

2871
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:44,090
in their minds and they believe it it

2872
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:45,770
doesn't bother them at all it doesn't

2873
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:48,170
change their everyday life they still

2874
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:50,810
have the same job it's just the belief

2875
02:14:56,080 --> 02:14:54,320
of a hobby that they have I think it

2876
02:14:58,930 --> 02:14:56,090
would be just a little bit different if

2877
02:15:01,420 --> 02:14:58,940
all of a sudden there was a saucer that

2878
02:15:03,379 --> 02:15:01,430
lands well populated in an area where a

2879
02:15:05,689 --> 02:15:03,389
whole lot of people see it and

2880
02:15:08,209 --> 02:15:05,699
and I know what would you have screaming

2881
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:08,219
mashing a piece of people running in

2882
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:10,530
different directions and I think they

2883
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:12,960
would feel quite differently if it came

2884
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,530
down in a physical form all of a sudden

2885
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:18,320
instead of being just a vague

2886
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:21,840
philosophical a belief well do you think

2887
02:15:26,660 --> 02:15:23,760
this relegation to the realm of

2888
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:26,670
entertainment is there any hope for real

2889
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:31,610
serious research hopefully you can be

2890
02:15:38,209 --> 02:15:36,690
entertaining and truthful right but but

2891
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:38,219
I think the question is is there any

2892
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:40,770
hope for serious research by serious

2893
02:15:48,050 --> 02:15:46,170
researchers in this field good answer I

2894
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:48,060
guess you just have to work you have to

2895
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work that much harder you have to dot

2896
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your i's and cross your T's and

2897
02:15:58,189 --> 02:15:55,469
hopefully you know wait for that that

2898
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grand arrival that Steven Greer moment

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when when he's able to summon the space

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brothers to come and take his

2901
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ambassador's to the universe away on

2902
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some we have a little article about dr.

2903
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Greer and his disclosure project his

2904
02:16:24,620 --> 02:16:21,389
little is little in North Carolina

2905
02:16:25,700 --> 02:16:24,630
Wildlife Refuge escapade or yes you're

2906
02:16:27,470 --> 02:16:25,710
familiar with

2907
02:16:29,780 --> 02:16:27,480
why don't we explain to our listeners

2908
02:16:32,179 --> 02:16:29,790
well I don't know apparently you've

2909
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:32,189
already seen this yeah it goes back to

2910
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:37,050
last year he had his followers with him

2911
02:16:44,209 --> 02:16:41,040
in some Wildlife Refuge or whatever in

2912
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yeah North Carolina I believe and they

2913
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didn't bother to get the kind of permit

2914
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that they were supposed to get they

2915
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weren't allowed to be there at night for

2916
02:16:58,759 --> 02:16:54,809
any other purpose but fishing and this

2917
02:17:02,270 --> 02:16:58,769
was not fishing because some inspector

2918
02:17:04,310 --> 02:17:02,280
said of some sort came and saw them on

2919
02:17:07,310 --> 02:17:04,320
the beach about 40 of them and they had

2920
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little flashlight type things in their

2921
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:09,929
hands and they were signaling out into

2922
02:17:16,919 --> 02:17:13,290
the clouds out into space and this was

2923
02:17:18,779 --> 02:17:16,929
not a fishing and they were evaluating

2924
02:17:20,489 --> 02:17:18,789
whatever permit they might have had and

2925
02:17:22,889 --> 02:17:20,499
they got into trouble and now they're

2926
02:17:27,209 --> 02:17:22,899
going to be all in the court about that

2927
02:17:29,339 --> 02:17:27,219
I think that's like making a mountain

2928
02:17:32,489 --> 02:17:29,349
out of a molehill I think there are many

2929
02:17:34,949 --> 02:17:32,499
reasons to criticize dr. Greer but I

2930
02:17:38,009 --> 02:17:34,959
don't think that's quite that a fair way

2931
02:17:40,169 --> 02:17:38,019
to approach this problem well you heard

2932
02:17:45,659 --> 02:17:40,179
what Greer's comeback was on this whole

2933
02:17:48,359 --> 02:17:45,669
whole incident right he said that he had

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02:17:51,479 --> 02:17:48,369
one of the people there was I think a

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02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:51,489
former employee there of the Park System

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02:17:58,739 --> 02:17:53,880
and had given him erroneous information

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02:18:00,989 --> 02:17:58,749
about the form and that he's a 501 C so

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02:18:03,179 --> 02:18:00,999
he couldn't be charged for operating a

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02:18:05,399 --> 02:18:03,189
commercial enterprise because he was a

2940
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:05,409
non-profit even though it costs I don't

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02:18:15,809 --> 02:18:06,969
know how many thousands of dollars to

2942
02:18:18,419 --> 02:18:15,819
attend one of these little soirees what

2943
02:18:19,979 --> 02:18:18,429
happened is also with Chris he's able to

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02:18:22,849 --> 02:18:19,989
see what you're doing because he's

2945
02:18:26,069 --> 02:18:22,859
sitting there in his palatial estate in

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02:18:28,199 --> 02:18:26,079
Arizona he is observing what's going on

2947
02:18:33,299 --> 02:18:28,209
in Key West as you speak more questions

2948
02:18:36,599 --> 02:18:33,309
please okay this is from Titor again he

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02:18:38,279 --> 02:18:36,609
said he saw you on a documentary and he

2950
02:18:39,839 --> 02:18:38,289
says that you know you're getting up

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02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:39,849
there in age a little bit and you must

2952
02:18:44,339 --> 02:18:41,889
have stories of all kinds about folks in

2953
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,349
the field so while you're on have you

2954
02:18:47,849 --> 02:18:46,479
gotten the goods on well you've gotten

2955
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:47,859
the goods on some believers but while

2956
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:50,649
you're on ask ask Jim about Phil class

2957
02:18:56,149 --> 02:18:52,719
and James Randi and some of those other

2958
02:19:00,809 --> 02:18:56,159
types of folks we have any dirt there

2959
02:19:03,870 --> 02:19:00,819
with James Randi I certainly won't go

2960
02:19:10,290 --> 02:19:03,880
into all of those at this time but

2961
02:19:13,290 --> 02:19:10,300
around 1990 I printed some things about

2962
02:19:17,639 --> 02:19:13,300
him and sophis Muir that very very

2963
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,649
nearly got me sued so I think there are

2964
02:19:22,799 --> 02:19:19,599
some things about Randi that I would

2965
02:19:26,209 --> 02:19:22,809
prefer not to mention now I can mention

2966
02:19:30,300 --> 02:19:26,219
this some of the statements that I made

2967
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:30,310
stated or implied that Randy was gay

2968
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:33,490
and that may have been a pseudo libelous

2969
02:19:39,781 --> 02:19:35,770
thing at that time but no more because

2970
02:19:42,991 --> 02:19:39,791
he officially in whichever publication

2971
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:43,001
he has for his particular group came out

2972
02:19:48,961 --> 02:19:45,850
a year or two ago and admitted it that

2973
02:19:52,411 --> 02:19:48,971
he had been gay all these years but

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02:19:55,081 --> 02:19:52,421
because it was a social problem on

2975
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:55,091
charter he was not willing to admit it

2976
02:20:00,690 --> 02:19:57,280
well it was so obvious to anyone that

2977
02:20:04,291 --> 02:20:00,700
knew him at all that he was and I said

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02:20:07,470 --> 02:20:04,301
so now finally he says so and he's older

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02:20:09,961 --> 02:20:07,480
than I am he's about 82 or 83 so now

2980
02:20:12,180 --> 02:20:09,971
that he's made it official we can

2981
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:12,190
actually say it on the air I hope

2982
02:20:18,451 --> 02:20:15,280
because we've just read it well there

2983
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:18,461
were some allegations about interesting

2984
02:20:33,511 --> 02:20:25,570
phone calls with underage youth created

2985
02:20:42,051 --> 02:20:33,521
a bit of a bit of a controversy I have

2986
02:20:50,730 --> 02:20:46,770
anyway if the transcript I believe seven

2987
02:20:52,801 --> 02:20:50,740
phone calls that came in to Randy's

2988
02:20:55,201 --> 02:20:52,811
father years ago when he lived up in

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02:20:57,751 --> 02:20:55,211
Thompson New Jersey and these are

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02:21:09,631 --> 02:20:57,761
conversations between Randy and various

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02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:09,641
young men and they had to do with body

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02:21:20,791 --> 02:21:19,120
parts and a particular body part well

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02:21:22,970 --> 02:21:20,801
after hearing about congressman anthony

2994
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:22,980
weiner we can't be surprised by anything

2995
02:21:29,850 --> 02:21:25,530
yeah it's another weiners story right

2996
02:21:32,341 --> 02:21:29,860
yes yes so anyway there were some co2

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02:21:34,711 --> 02:21:32,351
hotdogs there were some questionable

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02:21:37,261 --> 02:21:34,721
things in Randy's background but years

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and years ago long before any of that he

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and I were friends I used to go on his

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radio show in the

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city he had a rival show to Long John

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02:21:50,610 --> 02:21:47,471
Neville for about a year so way back in

3004
02:21:53,310 --> 02:21:50,620
the sixties and it was taken off the air

3005
02:21:55,411 --> 02:21:53,320
there seriously after about a year and I

3006
02:21:58,081 --> 02:21:55,421
think that had something to do with

3007
02:22:06,240 --> 02:21:58,091
alleged homosexuality also more bad

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02:22:09,751 --> 02:22:06,250
ratings you can pretty well say what you

3009
02:22:12,421 --> 02:22:09,761
want but if your ratings are high and if

3010
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they're not then they lower the boom and

3011
02:22:16,110 --> 02:22:14,351
that's what happened there they just use

3012
02:22:17,671 --> 02:22:16,120
your negatives as an excuse to get rid

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02:22:19,921 --> 02:22:17,681
of you but that's not the real reason

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the reason is of course the ratings

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allowances I'm making money from you if

3016
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they're not making money from you forget

3017
02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:24,341
about it

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we have Jim Mosley of saucer smear back

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for another segment Jean Steinberg the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in the

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we're back with Jim Mosley few more

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minutes to spend and know these segments

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don't get smaller we have four segments

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per hour each of which is a various

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single tenth of a second

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I'm amazed just thinking about Chris

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O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

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well what about Phil class very very

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careful with the way he was able to

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present his particular arguments about

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people places and things and situations

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cases anything any discrepancies I mean

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I don't want to miss merch you know his

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his reputation in you know now that he's

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passed on but you know I did hear

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rumblings here and there over the years

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that ol Phil played dirty pool every now

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and then with the facts and anything

3148
02:28:01,880 --> 02:27:58,680
that comes to mind Jim well I well he

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was a pretty clever fellow I don't think

3150
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he ever got caught lying about anything

3151
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:05,850
but again it's a matter of

3152
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interpretation that I can't cover a good

3153
02:28:14,420 --> 02:28:11,340
example of him but he'd eat some along

3154
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speaking about one of the good sightings

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that

3156
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people would take is credible and he

3157
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would find somewhat the ridiculous

3158
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reason that it wasn't what it seemed to

3159
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be there was something very ordinary now

3160
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you know you can't call that lying I

3161
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guess I mean it's a matter of personal

3162
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opinion I mean II absolutely was a

3163
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hardcore debunker but strangely enough

3164
02:28:39,710 --> 02:28:37,200
we were friends I visited in several

3165
02:28:42,590 --> 02:28:39,720
times it has very nice condo in

3166
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Washington DC and we got dinner here and

3167
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there many times and I liked him he was

3168
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a very bright interesting guy but

3169
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obviously we didn't agree about flying

3170
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saucers but he I guess the reason I

3171
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liked him was that he had a very good

3172
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sense of humor as perhaps I do but he

3173
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was just he would get angry if you cost

3174
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him a really oh boy he could get angry

3175
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oh yeah if you made a serious you know a

3176
02:29:17,570 --> 02:29:15,090
rebuttal of one of his interpretations

3177
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:17,580
of the Flying Saucer case everything he

3178
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could get very nasty but most of the

3179
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time he was a junior at night I enjoyed

3180
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his company he died and quite a few

3181
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years ago yeah I had the the good

3182
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fortune actually I was very actually

3183
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hardened and glad that I had a chance to

3184
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meet him at the 1998 International MUFON

3185
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:38,430
supposed him he had his Walker with him

3186
02:29:42,530 --> 02:29:40,890
he seemed fairly alert he did fall

3187
02:29:46,940 --> 02:29:42,540
asleep in the front row a couple of

3188
02:29:48,370 --> 02:29:46,950
presentations to wake up that was in

3189
02:29:52,310 --> 02:29:48,380
Denver

3190
02:29:55,429 --> 02:29:52,320
and I remember I saw him kind of you

3191
02:29:57,290 --> 02:29:55,439
know slowly you know following his walk

3192
02:29:59,450 --> 02:29:57,300
or up the hallway and I came up and and

3193
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:59,460
said you know I put my arm around I was

3194
02:30:03,980 --> 02:30:00,960
said you know thank you so much you big

3195
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:03,990
a bulldog you really you know keeping

3196
02:30:08,420 --> 02:30:05,850
this field honest and stuff and he he

3197
02:30:10,520 --> 02:30:08,430
was a little startled and said who are

3198
02:30:16,370 --> 02:30:10,530
you do I know you and I said no you

3199
02:30:20,300 --> 02:30:16,380
don't employ I'm sure glad oh and I just

3200
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:20,310
I walked away you know he came down with

3201
02:30:28,040 --> 02:30:24,960
some terrible problem his last years

3202
02:30:29,001 --> 02:30:28,050
were basically spent I don't think in a

3203
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:29,011
nursing home he

3204
02:30:35,151 --> 02:30:31,650
did a bit of money I think he had a

3205
02:30:37,281 --> 02:30:35,161
private person come in to his own place

3206
02:30:41,301 --> 02:30:37,291
and take care of him but he spent years

3207
02:30:41,961 --> 02:30:41,311
as a as a shut-in and I I think several

3208
02:30:44,180 --> 02:30:41,971
years

3209
02:30:46,941 --> 02:30:44,190
really before he finally died before

3210
02:30:49,581 --> 02:30:46,951
that he had you notice from newsletter

3211
02:30:52,220 --> 02:30:49,591
his anti saucer newsletter for quite a

3212
02:30:54,770 --> 02:30:52,230
number of years right again you know his

3213
02:30:57,470 --> 02:30:54,780
opinions were very interesting that they

3214
02:31:00,981 --> 02:30:57,480
would be different from mine he came out

3215
02:31:04,011 --> 02:31:00,991
with the specific information about

3216
02:31:06,531 --> 02:31:04,021
certain people and certain cases that

3217
02:31:08,361 --> 02:31:06,541
nobody else got hold of and that was one

3218
02:31:10,970 --> 02:31:08,371
of the reasons he was just like for

3219
02:31:15,441 --> 02:31:10,980
instance and when it came to Ed waters

3220
02:31:19,371 --> 02:31:15,451
of the Gulf Breeze Syndrome around the

3221
02:31:22,911 --> 02:31:19,381
late nineties he somehow found out that

3222
02:31:26,301 --> 02:31:22,921
ed Walters using a different name had

3223
02:31:28,821 --> 02:31:26,311
been in prison as a young man in his

3224
02:31:32,751 --> 02:31:28,831
early twenties and I never remembered

3225
02:31:35,930 --> 02:31:32,761
correctly either for or jury affording a

3226
02:31:38,390 --> 02:31:35,940
check or for stealing a car or it might

3227
02:31:40,911 --> 02:31:38,400
have been both but he he spent about a

3228
02:31:42,711 --> 02:31:40,921
year in that prison and that was one

3229
02:31:45,140 --> 02:31:42,721
reason that he changed his name from

3230
02:31:47,720 --> 02:31:45,150
whatever the other name was which I

3231
02:31:50,180 --> 02:31:47,730
can't remember right now to the one he

3232
02:31:53,091 --> 02:31:50,190
uses now the one he used in his books

3233
02:31:55,491 --> 02:31:53,101
and so forth ed Walters he's still alive

3234
02:31:57,741 --> 02:31:55,501
and he's still a businessman living in

3235
02:32:01,371 --> 02:31:57,751
the Gulf Breeze area but that was a very

3236
02:32:04,071 --> 02:32:01,381
important thing that the class found out

3237
02:32:06,171 --> 02:32:04,081
and you could go either way you could

3238
02:32:09,381 --> 02:32:06,181
say well that has nothing to do with

3239
02:32:11,961 --> 02:32:09,391
whether he saw flying saucers or not but

3240
02:32:15,161 --> 02:32:11,971
in a way it does make a difference it

3241
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:15,171
wasn't my mind yeah it's a matter of

3242
02:32:23,541 --> 02:32:19,530
character I knew them as a as a joke I

3243
02:32:25,791 --> 02:32:23,551
mean his Gulf Breeze adventures were

3244
02:32:30,801 --> 02:32:25,801
quite humorous when you work out the

3245
02:32:34,611 --> 02:32:30,811
inside story which is in my book close

3246
02:32:37,341 --> 02:32:34,621
to the truth and we are shockingly close

3247
02:32:39,501 --> 02:32:37,351
to the end of this episode any more

3248
02:32:41,211 --> 02:32:39,511
questions left in the till Chris well

3249
02:32:41,841 --> 02:32:41,221
none from our listeners but of course

3250
02:32:48,171 --> 02:32:41,851
you know

3251
02:32:50,631 --> 02:32:48,181
Mosely on here for several shows in a

3252
02:32:53,060 --> 02:32:50,641
row and and still not wear wear

3253
02:32:55,461 --> 02:32:53,070
ourselves out this so much fun Jim to

3254
02:32:57,890 --> 02:32:55,471
have you want thank you sorry that it's

3255
02:33:00,501 --> 02:32:57,900
unjust such you know unfortunate

3256
02:33:03,890 --> 02:33:00,511
circumstances but you're helping supply

3257
02:33:05,511 --> 02:33:03,900
a really good perspective into you know

3258
02:33:07,671 --> 02:33:05,521
how we should view this field how we

3259
02:33:10,100 --> 02:33:07,681
should view people that are immersed in

3260
02:33:11,930 --> 02:33:10,110
this field and and you know everybody in

3261
02:33:15,291 --> 02:33:11,940
this field that has some sort of public

3262
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:15,301
presence be put on notice here you know

3263
02:33:20,830 --> 02:33:18,090
you can you can walk your walk but you

3264
02:33:23,780 --> 02:33:20,840
know watch out if you start

3265
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:23,790
confabulating and embellishing and doing

3266
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:26,610
the things that put a lot of good

3267
02:33:32,211 --> 02:33:29,370
research and researchers into question

3268
02:33:33,650 --> 02:33:32,221
and and you know Jim I'm sorry was under

3269
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:33,660
these circumstances that do you happen

3270
02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:35,130
to come on but we couldn't think of a

3271
02:33:41,091 --> 02:33:39,090
better guess to have on I'm not sure

3272
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:41,101
what circumstances you're talking about

3273
02:33:48,711 --> 02:33:45,690
that was different no no I mean I'm not

3274
02:33:53,980 --> 02:33:48,721
going to leap over that's it's I don't

3275
02:33:56,631 --> 02:33:53,990
even know I'm you know but this is a

3276
02:33:59,480 --> 02:33:56,641
important point also to raise Jim as we

3277
02:34:01,190 --> 02:33:59,490
look at what you're doing now someday

3278
02:34:03,980 --> 02:34:01,200
you're gonna be going up there I'm sure

3279
02:34:07,370 --> 02:34:03,990
no matter what you think and if you're

3280
02:34:09,320 --> 02:34:07,380
caught to reflect on your life what do

3281
02:34:11,450 --> 02:34:09,330
you think what would you think you've

3282
02:34:12,860 --> 02:34:11,460
brought to the field of paranormal

3283
02:34:17,900 --> 02:34:12,870
research by all the things you've done

3284
02:34:20,360 --> 02:34:17,910
over 50 years I don't I don't expect to

3285
02:34:23,001 --> 02:34:20,370
go up anywhere but what have I

3286
02:34:27,020 --> 02:34:23,011
contributed to go a bit of humor and a

3287
02:34:31,370 --> 02:34:27,030
bit of insight in some cases that I've

3288
02:34:34,060 --> 02:34:31,380
come up with ideas or research that no

3289
02:34:38,211 --> 02:34:34,070
one else dared or sometimes I had a

3290
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:38,221
scoop or something like that over the

3291
02:34:43,131 --> 02:34:41,130
years and I've enjoyed myself and I

3292
02:34:46,370 --> 02:34:43,141
haven't made any money on it I certainly

3293
02:34:50,060 --> 02:34:46,380
wish I had but I haven't and but it's

3294
02:34:52,791 --> 02:34:50,070
been interesting and I think I managed

3295
02:34:54,381 --> 02:34:52,801
to entertain some people but at least I

3296
02:34:57,531 --> 02:34:54,391
entertain myself

3297
02:35:01,220 --> 02:34:57,541
I have entertained your a small handful

3298
02:35:03,711 --> 02:35:01,230
of listeners or viewers in the course of

3299
02:35:05,781 --> 02:35:03,721
this show it will be very happy to it

3300
02:35:07,940 --> 02:35:05,791
does that viewers he knows about our

3301
02:35:09,310 --> 02:35:07,950
top-secret webcam that's in his living

3302
02:35:12,761 --> 02:35:09,320
room right now

3303
02:35:19,281 --> 02:35:12,771
well tell where the New York market now

3304
02:35:20,810 --> 02:35:19,291
Jim we're covering the whole

3305
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:20,820
metropolitan area though which is a good

3306
02:35:27,321 --> 02:35:23,280
thing you're getting closer and closer

3307
02:35:29,480 --> 02:35:27,331
to the big time I don't know about that

3308
02:35:32,511 --> 02:35:29,490
but hey we're having fun right gene

3309
02:35:34,190 --> 02:35:32,521
right not making money not paying the

3310
02:35:34,671 --> 02:35:34,200
bills you don't want to hear about that

3311
02:35:41,211 --> 02:35:34,681
folks

3312
02:35:43,371 --> 02:35:41,221
but you know what let's mention this Jim

3313
02:35:45,921 --> 02:35:43,381
Mosley take the next 30 seconds to tell

3314
02:35:46,661 --> 02:35:45,931
us about saucer smear well what kind of

3315
02:35:51,291 --> 02:35:46,671
a magazine

3316
02:35:55,930 --> 02:35:51,301
it's my opinions I do

3317
02:35:59,180 --> 02:35:55,940
book reviews I do rewrites of current

3318
02:36:02,541 --> 02:35:59,190
newspaper articles or things from the

3319
02:36:05,451 --> 02:36:02,551
net more and more and I'm very fortunate

3320
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:05,461
that I have this friend that is not a

3321
02:36:08,991 --> 02:36:07,530
sorcerer so I won't bother to give his

3322
02:36:12,531 --> 02:36:09,001
name nobody's heard of him but he's a

3323
02:36:15,470 --> 02:36:12,541
very nice guy and he sends me reams of

3324
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,480
material by the time I get it it's a

3325
02:36:19,430 --> 02:36:17,280
week or two old but it doesn't matter

3326
02:36:20,361 --> 02:36:19,440
hey what let me give everybody the

3327
02:36:22,341 --> 02:36:20,371
address okay

3328
02:36:24,591 --> 02:36:22,351
here it is ladies and gentlemen you want

3329
02:36:28,190 --> 02:36:24,601
to know more about saucer smear and get

3330
02:36:30,770 --> 02:36:28,200
a sample copy it's P o box one seven

3331
02:36:34,220 --> 02:36:30,780
zero nine Key West Florida three three

3332
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:34,230
oh four one P o box one seven zero nine

3333
02:36:41,031 --> 02:36:38,160
Key West Florida three three zero four

3334
02:36:43,371 --> 02:36:41,041
one and on behalf of Chris and myself

3335
02:36:46,570 --> 02:36:43,381
Jim Mosely thanks for joining us this

3336
02:36:48,670 --> 02:36:46,580
week on the para cast

3337
02:36:50,740 --> 02:36:48,680
talk to you again someday and thank you

3338
02:37:01,951 --> 02:36:50,750
for having me I'm gonna hang out now

3339
02:37:06,930 --> 02:37:04,531
Paris is a calibrated presentation of

3340
02:37:09,261 --> 02:37:06,940
making the impossible incorporated tune

3341
02:37:18,250 --> 02:37:09,271
in next week for a new adventure and a